Montecresto
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Isn't circumcision a common practice here in America, performed without the child's consent.
Isn't circumcision a common practice here in America, performed without the child's consent.
No, it isn't a basic human right.
And your parents have the right to bring you up in their beliefs.
Your choice comes afterwards.
And it is none of your business.
removing extra skin really isn't mutilation.
something I don't remember as a baby
I looked at a lot of the literature and studies on this matter. There does not seem to be much of a difference medically, though the net effect is the expectancy of a slightly healthier and longer life. Almost every cost benefit analysis shows a positive return.
Circumcision is also a health plus
Nobody remembers being circumcised as a baby so what is the problem?
I'm circumsized like most Americans and it doesn't bother me one bit, but let's try to look at this from an objective point of view. Should we let a religion cut off pieces of a baby for no other reason but to appease their god?
What if I invented a religion, Alpacaism, where you have to tattoo an alpaca on newborns' backs, or cut off the excess skin hanging on their ears? Should that be allowed?
Point is, permanent mutilation should always be the choice of the person being mutilated. If somebody wants to do stuff like that when they turn 18, that's their business. Forcing it on someone who can't defend themselves is rather barbaric and has no place in a free society.
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer
and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
X Factor said:So shall we continue to allow the brutal practice of twisting kids teeth over a period of years and maybe even extracting them (I had four permanent teeth pulled by my quack orthodontist) in the name of asthetics? I'm curious what other things you don't think parents should get to decide for children your "free society". What if they teach *gasp* religion? Probably better to remove kids from their parents and let folks like you raise them correctly, amiright?
And how is it barbaric?
First they pump his stomach so that he won't vomit over his own wound, then they may or may not give him two injections in the base of his penis, then in order to see his glans to make sure not to cut it off, they cut a slit down his foreskin and tear it away from the glans, to which it is attached, leaving it bloody and raw...
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Not sure how one would know if there is less sensitivity, how do you even gauge that? lol
Oh the drama. When my friend had it done on her son, she told me the doctor numbed him first and that he didn't even cry.
Beyond actual foreskin constriction, there is no major scientific benefit to making circumcision health policy.
Of course Israel will endorse it -- they're a state run by Jews, and Jews are not exactly unbiased when it comes to circumcision. This raises the point that circumcision is based in religious ideology, not sound science, and thus Israel has no business telling Europe what to do.
The benefits to circumcised men in the developed world where personal hygiene standards are so high is minuscule, and it's unethical to do this to a person without their consent.
We don't do clitoral hood removal in women, which is their equivalent of circumcision. Why should males be expected to suffer in this way just because some archaic tradition and modern fetish for cut cocks says they should?
Sorry to hear about your quack orthodontist, but every profession has quacks. Orthodontics has real utility though beyond aesthetics, and even if it's just done for looks, so what? Everyone knows how shallow our society is, and how a nice smile gains you privilege. Correcting a child's teeth is not leaving them with anything permanently lost like circumcision does, and in many cases is improving their bite structure. I would rather have the wrong tooth accidentally pulled than have my genitals mutilated any day.
We can play the comparison game all day though. If you can't prove the utility of circumcision on its own merits then it's not a procedure worth endorsing as public health policy. If parents want it done they can justify their decision to doctors and then pay for it themselves.
Right, "It's just a snip."
Yeah, like having all your toenails or teeth pulled is "just a yank".
If you make a religion that demands that you kill someone every solstice, you will go to prison for murder. Now I'm not comparing circumcision with murder,
To me it seemed odd to worry about snipping a piece of skin of of a body that only 30 weeks earlier any uneducated girl could have had vacuumed away at will.
I'm circumsized like most Americans and it doesn't bother me one bit
Point is, permanent mutilation should always be the choice of the person being mutilated. If somebody wants to do stuff like that when they turn 18, that's their business. Forcing it on someone who can't defend themselves is rather barbaric and has no place in a free society.
Retarded comparisons.
Besides, I'm fully aware of what motivates you in particular.
Any surgical procedure could be characterized as barbaric.
Europe is not a very pro-circ zone so Israel just has to get over it. And don't expect many Americans to be sympathetic to Europe. Their warped cultural fetish for cut cocks and shaming of male sexuality runs so deep that they think a natural penis looks disgusting.
Well that's a two way street. Not everyone who would like to see some major component of the Jewish religion outlawed have any interest at all in the babies.
X Factor said:Ok, so you're perfectly fine with what amounts to years of pain for the sake of looks, but a quick procedure after birth that has significant religious meaning is horribly wrong? Who cares what you'd prefer? Is that the standard? Why is your judgment so much more worthy?
Beyond actual foreskin constriction, there is no major scientific benefit to making circumcision health policy.
Of course Israel will endorse it -- they're a state run by Jews, and Jews are not exactly unbiased when it comes to circumcision. This raises the point that circumcision is based in religious ideology, not sound science, and thus Israel has no business telling Europe what to.
The benefits to circumcised men in the developed world where personal hygiene standards are so high is minuscule, and it's unethical to do this to a person without their consent.
We don't do clitoral hood removal in women, which is their equivalent of circumcision. Why should males be expected to suffer in this way just because some archaic tradition and modern fetish for cut cocks says they should?
Sorry to hear about your quack orthodontist, but every profession has quacks. Orthodontics has real utility though beyond aesthetics, and even if it's just done for looks, so what? Everyone knows how shallow our society is, and how a nice smile gains you privilege. Correcting a child's teeth is not leaving them with anything permanently lost like circumcision does, and in many cases is improving their bite structure. I would rather have the wrong tooth accidentally pulled than have my genitals mutilated any day.
We can play the comparison game all day though. If you can't prove the utility of circumcision on its own merits then it's not a procedure worth endorsing as public health policy. If parents want it done they can justify their decision to doctors and then pay for it themselves.
Another one here who is for government poking their noses in people's business... Who are they to tell parents what they can or cannot do? IMO a circumcised penis is a clean penis and less likely to get or give infection.....