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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I looked at a lot of the literature and studies on this matter. There does not seem to be much of a difference medically, though the net effect is the expectancy of a slightly healthier and longer life. Almost every cost benefit analysis shows a positive return.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Circumcision is also a health plus
    What do you mean?

    Cancer? There's much less penile cancer in Denmark than the US and they don't circumcise there.

    Cleanliness? What other part of the body do you cut off to keep it clean?

    Nobody remembers being circumcised as a baby so what is the problem?
    So if you cut a part off someone, but drug them first so they won't remember, does that make it all right?
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm circumsized like most Americans and it doesn't bother me one bit, but let's try to look at this from an objective point of view. Should we let a religion cut off pieces of a baby for no other reason but to appease their god?

    What if I invented a religion, Alpacaism, where you have to tattoo an alpaca on newborns' backs, or cut off the excess skin hanging on their ears? Should that be allowed?

    Point is, permanent mutilation should always be the choice of the person being mutilated. If somebody wants to do stuff like that when they turn 18, that's their business. Forcing it on someone who can't defend themselves is rather barbaric and has no place in a free society.
    So shall we continue to allow the brutal practice of twisting kids teeth over a period of years and maybe even extracting them (I had four permanent teeth pulled by my quack orthodontist) in the name of asthetics? I'm curious what other things you don't think parents should get to decide for children your "free society". What if they teach *gasp* religion? Probably better to remove kids from their parents and let folks like you raise them correctly, amiright?

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
    A study from Israel suggests circumcision may cause urinary problems:

    Is ritual circumcision a risk factor for neonatal urinary tract infections? -- Prais et al. -- Archives of Disease in Childhood

    A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
    If the woman's infected it doesn't reduce the risk.

    Or do you mean gay men? In which case it offers little to no protection. Cut men also get AIDS.

    Protection against penile cancer
    There's much less penile cancer in Denmark than the US and they don't circumcise there.

    and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
    What about other ways of preventing cervical cancer, such as regular smears and stopping smoking?

    Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
    Which is not experienced by the vast majority of intact men.

    Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
    A rare condition.

    Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
    What other part of the body do you cut off to keep it clean?
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

    Benjamin Netanyahu, as quoted in Ma'ariv, 16 April, 2008

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Beyond actual foreskin constriction, there is no major scientific benefit to making circumcision health policy.

    Of course Israel will endorse it -- they're a state run by Jews, and Jews are not exactly unbiased when it comes to circumcision. This raises the point that circumcision is based in religious ideology, not sound science, and thus Israel has no business telling Europe what to do.

    The benefits to circumcised men in the developed world where personal hygiene standards are so high is minuscule, and it's unethical to do this to a person without their consent.

    We don't do clitoral hood removal in women, which is their equivalent of circumcision. Why should males be expected to suffer in this way just because some archaic tradition and modern fetish for cut cocks says they should?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor
    So shall we continue to allow the brutal practice of twisting kids teeth over a period of years and maybe even extracting them (I had four permanent teeth pulled by my quack orthodontist) in the name of asthetics? I'm curious what other things you don't think parents should get to decide for children your "free society". What if they teach *gasp* religion? Probably better to remove kids from their parents and let folks like you raise them correctly, amiright?
    Sorry to hear about your quack orthodontist, but every profession has quacks. Orthodontics has real utility though beyond aesthetics, and even if it's just done for looks, so what? Everyone knows how shallow our society is, and how a nice smile gains you privilege. Correcting a child's teeth is not leaving them with anything permanently lost like circumcision does, and in many cases is improving their bite structure. I would rather have the wrong tooth accidentally pulled than have my genitals mutilated any day.

    We can play the comparison game all day though. If you can't prove the utility of circumcision on its own merits then it's not a procedure worth endorsing as public health policy. If parents want it done they can justify their decision to doctors and then pay for it themselves.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And how is it barbaric?
    First they pump his stomach so that he won't vomit over his own wound, then they may or may not give him two injections in the base of his penis, then in order to see his glans to make sure not to cut it off, they cut a slit down his foreskin and tear it away from the glans, to which it is attached, leaving it bloody and raw...

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    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

    Benjamin Netanyahu, as quoted in Ma'ariv, 16 April, 2008

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    First they pump his stomach so that he won't vomit over his own wound, then they may or may not give him two injections in the base of his penis, then in order to see his glans to make sure not to cut it off, they cut a slit down his foreskin and tear it away from the glans, to which it is attached, leaving it bloody and raw...

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    Oh the drama. When my friend had it done on her son, she told me the doctor numbed him first and that he didn't even cry.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Not sure how one would know if there is less sensitivity, how do you even gauge that? lol
    Many men who became circumcised as adults report that sex is less pleasurable than before.
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

    Benjamin Netanyahu, as quoted in Ma'ariv, 16 April, 2008

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Oh the drama. When my friend had it done on her son, she told me the doctor numbed him first and that he didn't even cry.
    Right, "It's just a snip."

    Yeah, like having all your toenails or teeth pulled is "just a yank".
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

    Benjamin Netanyahu, as quoted in Ma'ariv, 16 April, 2008

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Beyond actual foreskin constriction, there is no major scientific benefit to making circumcision health policy.

    Of course Israel will endorse it -- they're a state run by Jews, and Jews are not exactly unbiased when it comes to circumcision. This raises the point that circumcision is based in religious ideology, not sound science, and thus Israel has no business telling Europe what to do.
    Well that's a two way street. Not everyone who would like to see some major component of the Jewish religion outlawed have any interest at all in the babies.

    The benefits to circumcised men in the developed world where personal hygiene standards are so high is minuscule, and it's unethical to do this to a person without their consent.

    We don't do clitoral hood removal in women, which is their equivalent of circumcision. Why should males be expected to suffer in this way just because some archaic tradition and modern fetish for cut cocks says they should?

    Sorry to hear about your quack orthodontist, but every profession has quacks. Orthodontics has real utility though beyond aesthetics, and even if it's just done for looks, so what? Everyone knows how shallow our society is, and how a nice smile gains you privilege. Correcting a child's teeth is not leaving them with anything permanently lost like circumcision does, and in many cases is improving their bite structure. I would rather have the wrong tooth accidentally pulled than have my genitals mutilated any day.

    We can play the comparison game all day though. If you can't prove the utility of circumcision on its own merits then it's not a procedure worth endorsing as public health policy. If parents want it done they can justify their decision to doctors and then pay for it themselves.
    Ok, so you're perfectly fine with what amounts to years of pain for the sake of looks, but a quick procedure after birth that has significant religious meaning is horribly wrong? Who cares what you'd prefer? Is that the standard? Why is your judgment so much more worthy?

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