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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Including Muslims.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Just another expression of European antisemitism. History suggests, strongly, that Jews in Europe cannot depend on Europeans to treat them with even minimal decency, let alone respect and tolerance.
    As a Jew, I can say this resolution is perfectly decent. If you're above 18 years of age and want it for yourself, go for it. If your kid actually needs it for medical reasons, then the best of luck to you. However, you should not (and hopefully soon, may not) physically force your religion on an infant.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Intellectually I understand the arguments against circumcision. But it's so harmless that I struggle to embrace them. Even as a secular Jew I'll probably have my kid circumcised to fit in with our cultural norms. Is it a relic of bronze age savagery? Probably. But since it's impact is so muted and at least in this country the aesthetic is closer to the norm I don't really mind. It might be hypocrisy but there are worse things to be hypocritical about.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    As a Jew, I can say this resolution is perfectly decent. If you're above 18 years of age and want it for yourself, go for it. If your kid actually needs it for medical reasons, then the best of luck to you. However, you should not (and hopefully soon, may not) physically force your religion on an infant.

    Fair enough, but anyone who followed the history of this legislation knows that it was not motivated by concern for infants.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    So what's it about?

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Intellectually I understand the arguments against circumcision. But it's so harmless that I struggle to embrace them. Even as a secular Jew I'll probably have my kid circumcised to fit in with our cultural norms. Is it a relic of bronze age savagery? Probably. But since it's impact is so muted and at least in this country the aesthetic is closer to the norm I don't really mind. It might be hypocrisy but there are worse things to be hypocritical about.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

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    So what's it about?

    Embarrassing Israel.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Considering that this law will affect Muslim practices far more than Jewish due to the enormous disparity in populations, I think Israel is way off the mark here. Is much of Europe anti-Semitic? Decidedly so, but this antisemitism is being fueled by the very population most affected by this new law, so it's not as if antisemitism, alone, explains the law. Laws have to be crafted to apply to all equally, and so Jewish people were not singled out here.

    If I were Jewish living in the U.K. or Sweden, and could afford to get out, I would. Both countries are viciously antisemitic, both in the Muslim as well as native populations. Just as there was a time in Europe in the 20s when Jews could escape, there is a time now when there is still an opportunity. I really do not see life for Jewish people living in Europe as improving soon -- not with the explosion of the Muslim population and corresponding increase of non Muslim antisemitism there. Instead of railing against these new policies, however, I would think Israel would be better off just doing what it could to ensure the safe passage of Jews from those areas in Europe where they are being harassed to the greatest degree.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

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    Embarrassing Israel.
    Oh, ok. That was obvious.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Embarrassing Israel.
    I fail to understand how any outside body can tell a sovereign country that they must accept any flood of immigrants that come knocking at their door! Huh? I don't think so! :

    Greetings, Jack.

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