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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Meanwhile back in Israel:

    (Reuters) - An Israeli woman appealed to the Supreme Court on Wednesday against a rabbinical ruling that ordered her to circumcise her one-year-old son, the Justice Ministry said, in the first case of its kind.

    Otherwise she gets fined $140 a day.


    Israeli woman appeals rabbinical ruling she must circumcise son | Reuters
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Just so I get this straight... There is no law making circumcision obligatory, however, this court believes it has the power to fine people who don't circumcise their children? Where on earth did the court get the opinion it had the power to hand out fines then?
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Just so I get this straight... There is no law making circumcision obligatory, however, this court believes it has the power to fine people who don't circumcise their children? Where on earth did the court get the opinion it had the power to hand out fines then?
    That's what happens when religious fanatics are in charge.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Why risk “catastrophic and life-changing injury” to your newborn?

    Pittsburgh rabbi sued for botching ritual circumcision | The Times of Israel
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    Why risk “catastrophic and life-changing injury” to your newborn?

    Pittsburgh rabbi sued for botching ritual circumcision | The Times of Israel
    It is none of your business.
    Just like the a person right to chose abortion is none of your business.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision | ReutersWell first off, the council of Europe doesn't make laws. this is just a resolution. It's a recommendation basically.
    I personally agree, I think the whole male circumcision thing is barbaric at best. A savage practice that we can dispense from now, in this day and age.

    I'm not against having men circumcised if they want to when they're past 18 years old and legally adults but not before they can speak and understand what is happening to them.

    The funny thing is israels' reaction the suggestion. I mean talk about overreaction. This law won't affect israel. And I know what you're thinking, it will affect jews in Europe. But jews in europe that are not israelis are not Israels' duty to represent. They have their own representatives.
    And the religious argument doesn't matter here. It doesn't matter if your religion says this is important or not, religion does not play a hand in matters of governance. You obey the laws of the land first and you observe your religious practices in religious locations.
    If you make a religion that demands that you kill someone every solstice, you will go to prison for murder. Now I'm not comparing circumcision with murder, I'm just pointing out that the law of the land is what counts and religious rituals that are against the law are religious rituals that must be abandoned. But this isn't the case yet with circumcision, as I said, this is just a resolution, not a law. The council can't make laws.
    It's good that they are keeping themselves busy.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision | Reuters





    Well first off, the council of Europe doesn't make laws. this is just a resolution. It's a recommendation basically.
    I personally agree, I think the whole male circumcision thing is barbaric at best. A savage practice that we can dispense from now, in this day and age.

    I'm not against having men circumcised if they want to when they're past 18 years old and legally adults but not before they can speak and understand what is happening to them.

    The funny thing is israels' reaction the suggestion. I mean talk about overreaction. This law won't affect israel. And I know what you're thinking, it will affect jews in Europe. But jews in europe that are not israelis are not Israels' duty to represent. They have their own representatives.
    And the religious argument doesn't matter here. It doesn't matter if your religion says this is important or not, religion does not play a hand in matters of governance. You obey the laws of the land first and you observe your religious practices in religious locations.
    If you make a religion that demands that you kill someone every solstice, you will go to prison for murder. Now I'm not comparing circumcision with murder, I'm just pointing out that the law of the land is what counts and religious rituals that are against the law are religious rituals that must be abandoned. But this isn't the case yet with circumcision, as I said, this is just a resolution, not a law. The council can't make laws.
    Just another expression of European antisemitism. History suggests, strongly, that Jews in Europe cannot depend on Europeans to treat them with even minimal decency, let alone respect and tolerance.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It is none of your business.
    Just like the a person right to chose abortion is none of your business.
    I don't see how you can compare the two.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    I don't see how you can compare the two.
    Routine procedures that have nothing to do with you.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Routine procedures that have nothing to do with you.
    Both are violations of basic human rights: the right to life and the right to choose your own religion, respectively. And it is the duty of citizens of free and democratic countries to stand up for the rights of those who cannot defend it for themselves.
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