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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    1+4. yes, they can't make choices. And I agree, medical care is the duty of the parents until the child is older. But circumcision is not a requirement. It's not like a baby NEEDS it. A baby doesn't need circumcision to LIVE or to be healthy. it's unecessary surgery.

    2. and how do you comply this with the fact that you perform a religious ritual which one may regret later in life because he switches or abandons judaism?

    3. True... it goes to 1+4. same reply really...

    5. ofc to some extent, but having men have less sensitivity in their penis goes pretty much against this.
    1. Shots are unnecessary in many cases, yet we give those as well.
    2. Once again, it's not a strictly religious ritual. Many get circumcised and it has nothing to do with religion.
    3. Glad we agree.
    5. Not sure how one would know if there is less sensitivity, how do you even gauge that? lol
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    1. Shots are unnecessary in many cases, yet we give those as well.
    2. Once again, it's not a strictly religious ritual. Many get circumcised and it has nothing to do with religion.
    3. Glad we agree.
    5. Not sure how one would know if there is less sensitivity, how do you even gauge that? lol
    1. vaccines are actually quite a preventive medicine method.
    2. true, but if u were jewish and then stopped, you got burned. well, cut.
    3. we agree that they are a barbaric ritual?
    5. science.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    1. vaccines are actually quite a preventive medicine method.
    2. true, but if u were jewish and then stopped, you got burned. well, cut.
    3. we agree that they are a barbaric ritual?
    5. science.
    1. So is circumcision.
    2. If?
    3. No I think I misread your statement.
    5. Got documentation on that? How would they even know?
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    I am glad I am circumcised and I am glad I didn't have to decide to have it done when I was 18, and instead do not remember it being done at all. Now, that would have really sucked at 18. I am glad my parents took it upon themselves to decide what was best for me, since I was too young at the time to decide for myself.

    Any surgical procedure could be characterized as barbaric.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    1. So is circumcision.
    2. If?
    3. No I think I misread your statement.
    5. Got documentation on that? How would they even know?
    1. It's not preventive medicine. It's unecessary surgery and it's intrusive and invasive.
    2. if you were born jewish and then decided not follow judaism anymore... you still got cut due to religious motives too.
    5. Idk... science man.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision | Reuters





    Well first off, the council of Europe doesn't make laws. this is just a resolution. It's a recommendation basically.
    I personally agree, I think the whole male circumcision thing is barbaric at best. A savage practice that we can dispense from now, in this day and age.

    I'm not against having men circumcised if they want to when they're past 18 years old and legally adults but not before they can speak and understand what is happening to them.

    The funny thing is israels' reaction the suggestion. I mean talk about overreaction. This law won't affect israel. And I know what you're thinking, it will affect jews in Europe. But jews in europe that are not israelis are not Israels' duty to represent. They have their own representatives.
    And the religious argument doesn't matter here. It doesn't matter if your religion says this is important or not, religion does not play a hand in matters of governance. You obey the laws of the land first and you observe your religious practices in religious locations.
    If you make a religion that demands that you kill someone every solstice, you will go to prison for murder. Now I'm not comparing circumcision with murder, I'm just pointing out that the law of the land is what counts and religious rituals that are against the law are religious rituals that must be abandoned. But this isn't the case yet with circumcision, as I said, this is just a resolution, not a law. The council can't make laws.
    I think that if you ban it without anesthetic then neither side has just cause to complain, i fail to see why this is such a priority though.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    I think that if you ban it without anesthetic then neither side has just cause to complain, i fail to see why this is such a priority though.
    Religious hatred and bitterness. It's very common in Europe, that's why administrators want to stick their nose in a family's business; to undermine religion.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    The so called advantages of circumcision are very exaggerated, all to satiate the religious right and their covenant with god. It's called soap and water, and using a condom.

    Europe is not a very pro-circ zone so Israel just has to get over it. And don't expect many Americans to be sympathetic to Europe. Their warped cultural fetish for cut cocks and shaming of male sexuality runs so deep that they think a natural penis looks disgusting.

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    Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    so sorry

    but the possibility of him dying from another more serious disease may be much higher in the future if he isnt circumcised

    l am neither defending it nor opposing but just trying to be objective
    There's practically no chance of someone dying from an uncut penis if they have running water.

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    Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    So there's one group who recommend it. There are no others. And it should be urologists whose opinion we care about, not the people who get paid to cut and don't treat most of the supposed consequences.

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