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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Doctors disagree as I have already shown. And how is it barbaric? It doesn't hurt the child (when done properly in a medical facility, not at home with a Rabbi), it only helps the child.
    Tell me, do you support peoples' right to self-determination when it comes to their own life?

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Most medical websites say it is beneficial from what I can find this morning.
    most I read say small risks and small benefits. Cant copy a link on this phone though.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Seems to me that more of you people should be disturbed by the fact that somebody else made a decision to slice off a part of your penis.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Tell me, do you support peoples' right to self-determination when it comes to their own life?
    Depends what you mean by that.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    most I read say small risks and small benefits. Cant copy a link on this phone though.
    I hear ya, but look through some of the links I have posted this morning for ya.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Depends what you mean by that.
    Well, it's very simple.

    Do you think people have the right to choose the way they want to live their lives?
    Do you think people have the right to choose their own religion?
    If so, they how can you expect to enforce a religious doctrine that permanently alters you on a baby who can't even speak, let alone pick his own religion. Maybe he no longer wants to be a jew later in life and what u know... he's already been subjected to a barbaric treatment when he was a pup.

    Do you think people have the right to their own medical treatment?
    If so, then how can enforce an medical practice on someone who doesn't consent and which is irreversible. And it's not like this medical operation is important. It's not like a child HAS to get it. It's unnecessary surgery basically.

    Do you think people have the right to their own lifestyle choice?
    If so, then how can you think it's ok to have children circumcised which will reduce the sensitivity of the penis.

    It's barbaric and useless. time to put this out of mainstream like we did all the other non-sense as we civilized and grew as a society.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Well, it's very simple.

    Do you think people have the right to choose the way they want to live their lives?
    Do you think people have the right to choose their own religion?
    If so, they how can you expect to enforce a religious doctrine that permanently alters you on a baby who can't even speak, let alone pick his own religion. Maybe he no longer wants to be a jew later in life and what u know... he's already been subjected to a barbaric treatment when he was a pup.

    Do you think people have the right to their own medical treatment?
    If so, then how can enforce an medical practice on someone who doesn't consent and which is irreversible. And it's not like this medical operation is important. It's not like a child HAS to get it. It's unnecessary surgery basically.

    Do you think people have the right to their own lifestyle choice?
    If so, then how can you think it's ok to have children circumcised which will reduce the sensitivity of the penis.

    It's barbaric and useless. time to put this out of mainstream like we did all the other non-sense as we civilized and grew as a society.
    I believe in those things to an extent, let me break it down for you.

    1. People can choose how to live there lives to an extent, babies obviously can't make those choices.
    2. People have the right to choose their religion.
    3. Circumcision is not strictly a religious practice.
    4. Yes people should be able to choose their own medical treatment, however, if a baby is sick should we not treat them? They can't make that decision so should we let them just stay sick? To a point it is the parent's responsibility to give their child medical treatment until they are older.
    5. People can choose their lifestyle to an extent.

    It's not barbaric as there is no pain to the child. It's not useless as I have already shown.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It's not barbaric as there is no pain to the child. .
    That's why they cry like hell when it happens.

    the lack of pain, you know.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I believe in those things to an extent, let me break it down for you.

    1. People can choose how to live there lives to an extent, babies obviously can't make those choices.
    2. People have the right to choose their religion.
    3. Circumcision is not strictly a religious practice.
    4. Yes people should be able to choose their own medical treatment, however, if a baby is sick should we not treat them? They can't make that decision so should we let them just stay sick? To a point it is the parent's responsibility to give their child medical treatment until they are older.
    5. People can choose their lifestyle to an extent.

    It's not barbaric as there is no pain to the child. It's not useless as I have already shown.
    1+4. yes, they can't make choices. And I agree, medical care is the duty of the parents until the child is older. But circumcision is not a requirement. It's not like a baby NEEDS it. A baby doesn't need circumcision to LIVE or to be healthy. it's unecessary surgery.

    2. and how do you comply this with the fact that you perform a religious ritual which one may regret later in life because he switches or abandons judaism?

    3. True... it goes to 1+4. same reply really...

    5. ofc to some extent, but having men have less sensitivity in their penis goes pretty much against this.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    It's not barbaric as there is no pain to the child.

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