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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You're like.. .you know... wrong. I mean so wrong.
    Semitic comes from Sem -> the son of Noah. And he was designated to repopulate the "middle of the earth" making all jews, arabs and other middle eastern people -> semites. normally this would include the indians in india and the vietnamese too. But w/e, back then people didn't know the world was that large. Ham was designated to repopulate the south -> so all africans are hamites. And Jaspeth or smth like that the north -> europeans and chinesse and siberians and all that are "jaspetians?" or however that works. Now since most arabs are muslims and don't give a hoot, they don't call themselves semites. since Europeans are traditionally christian, we don't care about the whole jaspeth thing since God loves all and doesn't massacre at random anymore, the Christian God is civilized. And the indians and the chinesse don't care either because lo and behold, they follow other religions.

    So while yes, arabs are semites by torah standards, they're not semites because they don't see themselves as such. Which is why that designation remains purely for jewish people by their own choice and by the fortunes of history.

    I see you quote haartz, don't. It's a ****ty newspaper for remtards on free dinners.

    Jews aren't a nation. If jews were a nation, that means that if you're a jew in america or in sweden or in israel, you're part of the same nation. And that's not true. Only jews in Israel are part of the nation of Israel. So Israelite is a nationality, jew is not. Jews are foremost an ethnic group -> your mother needs to be jewish for you to inherit the jewishness. Again, that's their saying, not mine. They identify jewish as such. And with reformed judaism you don't need to practice judaism to be a jew. Which is why a non-religious jew can marry a religious jew no problem. It is why a non-religious jew is still a jew. Again. it's like I said. (ethnicity)Polish (religion)catholic -> take away catholic, he's still polish.


    SO this:
    Is true. They are racists.
    Jewish is not a race, it's an ethnicity. Ethnicity and race is not synonymous.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    the doctors said it was Phimosis

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Once again, I'll correct you. The people who are pregnant are women, not girls. Some conservatives have a problem with relating to women as women, rather than "girls" or "ladies." They are women, and it is not your place to make their decisions, just as it is not mine to make your decisions for you. Freedom.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Once again, I'll correct you. The people who are pregnant are women, not girls. Some conservatives have a problem with relating to women as women, rather than "girls" or "ladies." They are women, and it is not your place to make their decisions, just as it is not mine to make your decisions for you. Freedom.
    In fact we, or the bureaucracy, are making decisions for each other on a regular basis. Some social behavior, as well as legal, is expected of all of us. If you want total freedom you'd be better of in the backwoods somewhere.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    1. The messiah already came and went. Get over it.

    2. They banned circumcission that is not medically required. Which is most circumcision. What circumcision is, is in fact, forcing uneccesary and useless surgery on a child to satisfy some tribal ritual from a long gone era. It's primitive and stupid.

    It's the same thing as not allowing tattoos on infants. You don't permit infants to be tattooed, why permit them to suffer through circumcision. It's protecting children's rights. If you hate children, you hate this law. If you want what is best for children, you start by not mutilating them.

    You don't get to mutilate a child for the purpose of religious doctrine. We live by mans' laws not gods' law. Saying "god told me to do it" won't save you from prison if you do a crime, and saying that won't give you permission to circumcise an infant.
    Does this law ban European 10-12 year old girls from having their ears pierced ?
    Does it ban younger kids from having their ears pierced ?
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by ido_ View Post
    Does this law ban European 10-12 year old girls from having their ears pierced ?
    Does it ban younger kids from having their ears pierced ?
    I can't really say parents wanting to pierce their prepubescent children is a common occurence. Indeed, the parlours tend to turn such people away - unlike the rabbi or imam who encourage it. So the need for such legislation is rather dubious.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    I realize I'm here late in the game but, circumcision along with not eating pork or shellfish are merely safety precautions place in the Bible for those who are unaware of those possible dangers. These warning are over-blown by those who would jump to literal conclusions.

    Given the unclean practices of many of today's youths, I believe circumcision is still a good precaution.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I can't really say parents wanting to pierce their prepubescent children is a common occurence. Indeed, the parlours tend to turn such people away - unlike the rabbi or imam who encourage it. So the need for such legislation is rather dubious.
    Here in Texas, the Hispanic population tends to pierce little girls ears with regularity. Don't know why.

    http://www.mamiverse.com/baby-ear-pi...culture-33479/

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by lyons19901 View Post
    the doctors said it was Phimosis
    A very rare condition:

    "The Finnish National Board of Health provided national case records for the year 1970 for both phimosis and paraphimosis. A total of 409 cases was reported for males 15 years and older,which represents only 2/100ths of 1% (0.023%) of the total male population in that age group. [In other words, less than 3 in 10,000.] This means that 99.97% did NOT develop a problem. Moreover, according to Finnish authorities, only a fraction of the reported cases required surgery - a number too small to reliably estimate."

    - Edward Wallerstein, Circumcision: An American Health Fallacy p.128


    "Dr Mark Reiss of Doctors Opposing Circumcision reports:

    In August of 2007 I got a phone call and several emails from a distraught young man in his 20s, in which he complained of phimosis, the degree of which was affecting his ability to have and maintain an erection and causing embarrassment in his sex life. He seemed to be profoundly depressed. Of course all the urologists he saw recommended circumcision, but he wisely contacted a number of us, who recommended Dr. Michael Beauge's stretching technique:

    I just got the following email from him, which is very gratifying. I recommend that his experience be cited for similar situations.

    Hello, Dr. Reiss

    I am the young man who contacted you over a year ago about having phimosis.

    The study I read about Dr. Michel Beauge was incredible and very profound. Especially his analysis on certain conservative cultural tendencies toward self-stimulation.

    The method that Dr. Beauge implies in his paper worked wonderfully for me.

    I was relieved 110% [sic] of my phimosis and it is absolutely incredible. My personal life has improved dramatically.

    My stance against pre-emptive non-therapeutic circumcision has become more solidified after having applied the Beauge method.

    I just wanted to let you know that anyone who has phimosis should definetely try the Beauge method."


    Phimosis and Forcible Retraction


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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Given the unclean practices of many of today's youths, I believe circumcision is still a good precaution.
    Why not proper education on the matter?
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