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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

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    But in fact it does not do any such thing. Once the child is old enough to decide for himself whether or not he wants to be a part of his parents culture, then he may be circumcised.
    But that wont help a Haredi Jew who you've now ruined his party with the Messiah because he is Karet

    Moreover, when the law distincts between piercing an ear and circumsizion it shows its not about human rights of infants but forcing the majority's culture on the minority
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    Perhaps I misunderstood it when I saw "A Torah Perspective" in the title?
    I dont see any reference to that being deducted from the Torah. Moreover, not being circumsized is according to the talmud just as bad as breaking one of the ten comandments
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

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    I dont see any reference to that being deducted from the Torah. Moreover, not being circumsized is according to the talmud just as bad as breaking one of the ten comandments
    At any rate, this practice should stop:

    "…In January 2014, the New York City (NYC) Department of Health and Mental Hygiene received a report of a new case of HSV-1 infection in a newborn male infant following direct orogenital suction. To date, a total of 14 laboratory-confirmed cases of HSV-infection attributable to direct orogenital suction have been reported to the Health Department since 2000. Two of these infants died, and at least two others suffered brain damage.…"


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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

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    At any rate, this practice should stop:
    No it shouldn't.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    better to do it when they are a baby who wont remember the procedure as a preventative measure then them being an adult and not really having a choice to go through it because of medical complications with the foreskin imho and to illustrate this point i shall share with you my experience of having it done as an adult

    I had a problem through my teen years in which sex was physically painful because of a complication with the piece of skin being discussed in this thread until i got circumcised funnily enough after the procedure i found out that percocete and vicodin don't work on me and it wasn't the best time to find out i think you agree lol it was probably one the the most painful experiences in my life and it wasn't the daily life for the month it took to heal i mean i went back on duty four days after the procedure it was the nocturnal emissions that would cripple me in pain, not allowing me to sleep, having no way to stop the process and at one point tearing a quarter of the stitches out(damn near passed out from that one) and that is why if i have male children I'm going to have them circumcised as a preventative measure for not having to go through what i went through

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision | Reuters





    Well first off, the council of Europe doesn't make laws. this is just a resolution. It's a recommendation basically.
    I personally agree, I think the whole male circumcision thing is barbaric at best. A savage practice that we can dispense from now, in this day and age.

    I'm not against having men circumcised if they want to when they're past 18 years old and legally adults but not before they can speak and understand what is happening to them.

    The funny thing is israels' reaction the suggestion. I mean talk about overreaction. This law won't affect israel. And I know what you're thinking, it will affect jews in Europe. But jews in europe that are not israelis are not Israels' duty to represent. They have their own representatives.
    And the religious argument doesn't matter here. It doesn't matter if your religion says this is important or not, religion does not play a hand in matters of governance. You obey the laws of the land first and you observe your religious practices in religious locations.
    If you make a religion that demands that you kill someone every solstice, you will go to prison for murder. Now I'm not comparing circumcision with murder, I'm just pointing out that the law of the land is what counts and religious rituals that are against the law are religious rituals that must be abandoned. But this isn't the case yet with circumcision, as I said, this is just a resolution, not a law. The council can't make laws.
    How is it 'racist?'

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    How is it 'racist?'

    Being Jewish is a religion. It's not a race.
    You can be a jew without being religiously jewish, hence, it's not just a religion. It's why you have all those rules in judaism like that in order to be a jew, your mom has to be jewish and that's not a religious thing, it's an ethnic thing.

    So say, if you are a polish catholic, if you stop being catholic, you're still polish. If you're a jew, even if you stop practicing judaism, by jewish standards, you're still jewish.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by ido_ View Post
    But that wont help a Haredi Jew who you've now ruined his party with the Messiah because he is Karet

    Moreover, when the law distincts between piercing an ear and circumsizion it shows its not about human rights of infants but forcing the majority's culture on the minority
    1. The messiah already came and went. Get over it.

    2. They banned circumcission that is not medically required. Which is most circumcision. What circumcision is, is in fact, forcing uneccesary and useless surgery on a child to satisfy some tribal ritual from a long gone era. It's primitive and stupid.

    It's the same thing as not allowing tattoos on infants. You don't permit infants to be tattooed, why permit them to suffer through circumcision. It's protecting children's rights. If you hate children, you hate this law. If you want what is best for children, you start by not mutilating them.

    You don't get to mutilate a child for the purpose of religious doctrine. We live by mans' laws not gods' law. Saying "god told me to do it" won't save you from prison if you do a crime, and saying that won't give you permission to circumcise an infant.
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