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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    Sorry. I can't open the link to the comment on the mission statement. So I don't know what you mean.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

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    There is a bunch of subtle sneaky passive-aggressive suckers in this thread and I'm only on the 4th post. It's kind of fun. I really like it here. I think I will continue to read the rest of the comments. This is probably going to prove to be very entertaining.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Another good reason to have it done when he is a baby
    What NL said in response to this, I couldn't have put better.

    if that is even true
    True? Did you know that one justification for it in Victorian England was to "cure" masturbation?
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Just so I get this straight... There is no law making circumcision obligatory, however, this court believes it has the power to fine people who don't circumcise their children? Where on earth did the court get the opinion it had the power to hand out fines then?
    And it's these same fanatics who demanded this boy be given the chop TWICE:

    Anger as rabbis demand boy be recircumcised - National - smh.com.au
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The practice is declining as old myths about cleanliness, STDs, etc., have been debunked. This is a Newsweek article which may be of interest: Circumcision Rate in the U.S. Declines as Attitudes Change (1) - Businessweek

    Basically, about 55% of male babies are circumcised now, compared with 65% a couple of decades ago.
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    Personally, I think circumcision is a decision the government should have no part in; that said, I did not allow my own son to be circumcised. Circumcision was not part of his father's family customs, and I was grateful because I do view it as a genital mutilation on an infant, a process that sometimes goes horribly and irrevocably awry. Any unnecessary cutting procedure on a newborn has risks, and I personally would prefer children are allowed to make their own decision once they are grown. Once the decision has been made for them, it cannot be undone.

    Yes, I also abhor piercings on infants, although a pinhole in the earlobe will heal, but a foreskin is not going to grow back.

    That said, it is also a religious custom, and as such it should never be outlawed by any government because it would infringe on the religious freedoms of its populace. It does seem odd to me, however, that God would carefully fashion a perfectly nice foreskin, then command his followers to lop it off at birth! People do seem to become rabid on both sides whenever this issues comes up... no pun intended, lol!


    Thanks for the article.. It does say that there is medical evidence that circumcision is beneficial, and I agree with that.. Government should not be involved as it should be a decision left up to the parents.. I doubt that a grown man would bother to put himself through this procedure..Actually I am basing my opinion on personal observation, having one husband who was uncircumcised, and one that was... What can I say..

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    The rulers in the Euro collective are dictating what they deem appropriate...?

    Tomorrow is Tuesday.

    this is my surprised face

    They'll all be wearing khaki pants and listening to low frequency music in 100 years. Europe is lost to mediocrity and the ruling class, accept it.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    It's not just extra skin. The foreskin is comprised of many sensitive nerve endings:
    It is extra skin.


    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    An intact, un-mutilated body is a basic human right.

    But not the right to mutilate their children.
    It is not mutilation or a basic human right.


    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    Too late then.

    That statement was about choosing your own religion.
    It is not too late to choose your own religion.



    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    It's everybody's business.

    No it is not.
    It is none of your business. That isn't going to change.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It is extra skin.
    No, it has a specific purpose - to protect the glans, as well as:

    "This study shows that the foreskin is the most touch-sensitive part of the penis:

    ... Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss, Christopher Eden, Marilyn F. Milos, Norma Wilcox, Robert S. Van Howe

    BJU International 99 (4), 864-869 (British Journal of Urology International,
    Volume 99 Issue 4 Page 864 - April 2007)"

    The Foreskin, Circumcision and Sexuality

    "The foreskin itself gives pleasure."

    Pleasures of the Foreskin

    It is not mutilation or a basic human right.
    It is:

    ' "The Assault We Ignore", London Queen's Counsel James Chegwidden's speech at the 2013 Genital Autonomy Symposium in Keele, Staffs, UK, about how non-therapeutic infant circumcision is in breach of national and international law.'



    It is not too late to choose your own religion.
    It's too late to restore the foreskin, I was referring to.

    It is none of your business.
    Cruelty to children is every concerned citizen's business.
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    Benjamin Netanyahu, as quoted in Ma'ariv, 16 April, 2008

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    No, it has a specific purpose - to protect the glans, as well as:

    "This study shows that the foreskin is the most touch-sensitive part of the penis:

    ...

    "The foreskin itself gives pleasure."
    As I said. Extra skin.
    It is not needed, and it is none of your business.



    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    It is:

    It is not mutilation or a basic human right.



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    Cruelty to children is every concerned citizen's business.
    It is not cruelty or your business.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Sorry, but nobody has the right to force religious beliefs down my throat, especially through genital mutilation. Determining what parts of my body stay on me are my business alone, no one else'
    How can you not force religion. Children are eventually gaining their culture and beliefs from their family. Should families avoid practicing religion around their children and at the age of 18 give them a few leaflets explaining about each religion and let them choose? Its not working this way. If you were born Catholic, Jewish, Muslim or Hindu you will most probably be one, same goes for your culture, if you are raised in a liberal environment you will become one, if you were raised in an environment that believes men are superior to women, you will believe so too.

    Circumcision is a major part of the Jewish culture and forbidding it equals forbidding Jews from raising their children as such. Calling the act barbaric is a bit extreme in my opinion, today you don't see many Jews do the Brith by a Mohel in a party with all of the family dancing around the infant's bleeding penis, it is done in a hospital by doctors. Why is it ok in a European eyes to make holes in your child's earlobe but not ok to do circumcision in a hospital?
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