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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    Right, "It's just a snip."

    Yeah, like having all your toenails or teeth pulled is "just a yank".
    Retarded comparisons. Besides, I'm fully aware of what motivates you in particular.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    If you make a religion that demands that you kill someone every solstice, you will go to prison for murder. Now I'm not comparing circumcision with murder,
    That was sneaky. I think you were comparing circumcision with murder.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    To me it seemed odd to worry about snipping a piece of skin of of a body that only 30 weeks earlier any uneducated girl could have had vacuumed away at will.
    There is a bunch of subtle sneaky passive-aggressive suckers in this thread and I'm only on the 4th post. It's kind of fun. I really like it here. I think I will continue to read the rest of the comments. This is probably going to prove to be very entertaining.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm circumsized like most Americans and it doesn't bother me one bit
    It doesn't bother you that you were mutilated without your consent?

    Point is, permanent mutilation should always be the choice of the person being mutilated. If somebody wants to do stuff like that when they turn 18, that's their business. Forcing it on someone who can't defend themselves is rather barbaric and has no place in a free society.
    Perhaps the best way to stop this barbaric practice is by instigating legal action. When doctors understand they can be sued for it then and only then will it stop.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Retarded comparisons.
    Have you heard how the babies scream when the foreskin is torn away from the glans?

    Besides, I'm fully aware of what motivates you in particular.
    So say it, as others may not be.
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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Any surgical procedure could be characterized as barbaric.
    Very true. I was thinking that one day when I was at the dentist. I was thinking it must be impossible for dentist to go into third world countries to offer dental care. The dentist would get socked in the nose or possibly shot. It tickles me that civilized people are the only ones that can benefit from modern dentistry. Jungle men wouldn't put up with being subjected to such barbaric torture. Your observation is rather funny.

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Europe is not a very pro-circ zone so Israel just has to get over it. And don't expect many Americans to be sympathetic to Europe. Their warped cultural fetish for cut cocks and shaming of male sexuality runs so deep that they think a natural penis looks disgusting.
    Have you ever seen an uncircumsized penis in a porn?

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well that's a two way street. Not everyone who would like to see some major component of the Jewish religion outlawed have any interest at all in the babies.
    I believe it was "restricted", not "outlawed".

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor
    Ok, so you're perfectly fine with what amounts to years of pain for the sake of looks, but a quick procedure after birth that has significant religious meaning is horribly wrong? Who cares what you'd prefer? Is that the standard? Why is your judgment so much more worthy?
    I have a better question. Why is the brit milah okay just because it's an "ancient religious tradition"? Imagine a world where circumcision was rarely performed, and only when medically necessary. Now imagine, in the year 2014, a religious group comes along and with the advent of the brit milah, rabbi sucking blood from the genitals and the whole shabang, claiming it was part of their covenant with God. Do you really think most countries would say, "Yep, that makes sense!", and allow it?

    How much do we allow in the name of religion? I realize that the U.S. has a fetish for cut cocks which prevents most of its people from seeing this issue clearly, but if you can, try to put it aside. Why does this religious practice get the ok, but if a non-Jew did something like this to a baby they would probably end up in jail for sex crimes and assault?

    Why is it ok for one group to do this to a baby's genitals, but not another? Why, in general, do parents get to opt for this elective, unnecessary procedure when the child is at an age where they can't vocalize dissent?

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Beyond actual foreskin constriction, there is no major scientific benefit to making circumcision health policy.

    Of course Israel will endorse it -- they're a state run by Jews, and Jews are not exactly unbiased when it comes to circumcision. This raises the point that circumcision is based in religious ideology, not sound science, and thus Israel has no business telling Europe what to.
    The benefits to circumcised men in the developed world where personal hygiene standards are so high is minuscule, and it's unethical to do this to a person without their consent.

    We don't do clitoral hood removal in women, which is their equivalent of circumcision. Why should males be expected to suffer in this way just because some archaic tradition and modern fetish for cut cocks says they should?



    Sorry to hear about your quack orthodontist, but every profession has quacks. Orthodontics has real utility though beyond aesthetics, and even if it's just done for looks, so what? Everyone knows how shallow our society is, and how a nice smile gains you privilege. Correcting a child's teeth is not leaving them with anything permanently lost like circumcision does, and in many cases is improving their bite structure. I would rather have the wrong tooth accidentally pulled than have my genitals mutilated any day.

    We can play the comparison game all day though. If you can't prove the utility of circumcision on its own merits then it's not a procedure worth endorsing as public health policy. If parents want it done they can justify their decision to doctors and then pay for it themselves.


    Another one here who is for government poking their noses in people's business... Who are they to tell parents what they can or cannot do? IMO a circumcised penis is a clean penis and less likely to get or give infection.....

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    Re: Israel attacks Council of Europe move to restrict male circumcision

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Another one here who is for government poking their noses in people's business... Who are they to tell parents what they can or cannot do? IMO a circumcised penis is a clean penis and less likely to get or give infection.....
    A washed penis is a clean penis and less likely to give an infection.

    What does this have to do with Israel?

    I'm not a statist. This is about medical ethics.

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