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Undercover NYPD Cop Watched SUV Driver Get Beaten

So you are willing to run someone over on a motorcycle who is in front you slowing down and doing 10 mph less than the speed limit? You can't go around him, there are more bikes there. Do you hit him, or just slow down? Most people just slow down.

The guy he ran over was parked, moving 0 mph. The one doing 10 mph that brake checked may or may not have even actually been hit - may have just been close. He wasn't tipped over, he was still riding after the possible accident. I was talking about the motorcycles that barricaded him, including the one who may never walk again because of it.
 
The guy he ran over was parked, moving 0 mph. The one doing 10 mph that brake checked may or may not have even actually been hit - may have just been close. He wasn't tipped over, he was still riding after the possible accident. I was talking about the motorcycles that barricaded him, including the one who may never walk again because of it.

He didn't just happen to park in front of him.
 
He didn't just happen to park in front of him.

No, it looked like he intentionally put his bike in front of the SUV to block it. Not that he randomly decided to park in the middle of the highway.
 
:shrug: In the Mossad, you can actually help engage in a terrorist act in order to infiltrate the group that you need to report on.


It's deeply unfortunate, but I can see why he made the call he did.

I don't.. Mossad is different. Being a Police officer you job is to keep the peace. Ignoring a crime for street credit should be a crime as today with a few clicks of a keyboard you can be who you want.
 
I don't..

:shrug: which is more important: A) stopping a guy from getting beaten B) stopping a criminal organization who beats and kills people

Math says B.

Mossad is different. Being a Police officer you job is to keep the peace. Ignoring a crime for street credit should be a crime as today with a few clicks of a keyboard you can be who you want.

On the street while under cover you can't be "who you want'". You have to be your cover. Or you get more people hurt. The guy made a tough decision, probably in-line with his direction.
 
"An off-duty undercover New York City police officer was among the crowd of motorcyclists on the scene as SUV driver Alexian Lien was beaten on Sunday, officials confirmed to ABC News today.

The undercover narcotics cop did not intervene in the beating out of fear that his cover would be blown, sources said."

It further reads:

"The information is part of the ongoing investigation by the NYPD and the Manhattan district attorney into the confrontation and beating that happened Sunday afternoon between a group of 20 to 30 motorcyclists and Lien, caught on video and uploaded to the Internet.

The officer's involvement is also the subject of an Internal Affairs investigation, sources said."

Uh oh, someone is in trouble!

Source: Undercover NYPD Cop Watched SUV Driver Get Beaten
Maybe he was just too much of a ***** to get involved.
 
:shrug: In the Mossad, you can actually help engage in a terrorist act in order to infiltrate the group that you need to report on.


It's deeply unfortunate, but I can see why he made the call he did.


he wasn't undercover and has been denied representation by the Union for making false statements
 
:shrug: which is more important: A) stopping a guy from getting beaten B) stopping a criminal organization who beats and kills people

Math says B.



On the street while under cover you can't be "who you want'". You have to be your cover. Or you get more people hurt. The guy made a tough decision, probably in-line with his direction.

it seems more a case cop likes to play thug on the weekends
 
he wasn't undercover and has been denied representation by the Union for making false statements

:shrug: then he wasn't undercover and wasn't protecting an identity.
 
From the video, my guess is the bikes got annoyed he wouldn't move to the right lane and continued to just ride through the middle of their convoy. Then an idiot got in front of him and breaked, causing non accident between the SUV and the bike

Basically, he was probably targeted because a lunatic on a bikes had road rage and acted like an idiot, and it all escalated from there.



actually they're known for shutting down stretches of highway
 
actually they're known for shutting down stretches of highway

This orticular group or in general? I've never really heard of such or experienced such....but then again I'm more familiar with predominantly cruiser groups and your not really pulling any "tricks" off on a cruiser
 
This orticular group or in general?

This group in particular. They have actually posted video in the past of them assaulting other vehicles for getting in their way and doing things like speeding down sidewalks in high foot traffic areas.
 
:shrug: which is more important: A) stopping a guy from getting beaten B) stopping a criminal organization who beats and kills people

Stopping the guy from getting beat as that act is in progress as that beating could have also resulted in death.

Math says B.

Well, I hope you never have to get your ass beat and have cops sit there join in and watch because they are "protecting" their "cover".



On the street while under cover you can't be "who you want'". You have to be your cover. Or you get more people hurt. The guy made a tough decision, probably in-line with his direction.

And that's the problem. Cops are allowed to be dirty for a cover. You are either a peace officer or you aren't. Cops have undercover informants who can live within the gray. But when that UI crosses the gray into the black they should be arrested. Whitey Bulger is a prime example of this.

Hell, look what's happening in Sunrise, FL.
 
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Stopping the guy from getting beat as that act is in progress as that beating could have also resulted in death.

sadly not true. 1<(>1).

Well, I hope you never have to get your ass beat and have cops sit there join in and watch because they are "protecting" their "cover".

me too.

And that's the problem. Cops are allowed to be dirty for a cover.

that is correct. there are no swans in the sewer, but if you want to know what the rats are doing, that's where you have to go.
 
The individual also took part in attacking the SUV. He is no innocent party. What happened is that he allowed himself to become part of the mob and its actions. He absolutely should be held fully accountable for his actions, as well as fired from the NYPD if convicted.
 
The individual also took part in attacking the SUV. He is no innocent party. What happened is that he allowed himself to become part of the mob and its actions. He absolutely should be held fully accountable for his actions, as well as fired from the NYPD if convicted.

did evidence come out that he was directly involved in the attack? I know he was brought up on formal charges, but I thought they were related to the chase and wider involvement in the incident.
 
did evidence come out that he was directly involved in the attack? I know he was brought up on formal charges, but I thought they were related to the chase and wider involvement in the incident.

A video where he was seen attacking the back window of the SUV. Notice, I also referenced my comments with "if convicted."
 
I also referenced my comments with "if convicted."

Huh? I was simply asking about if some new evidence came to light. Personally, just for his level of involvement, and the numerous misleading statements he made on the topic, I am unsure how any state body could still employ the guy as an officer of the law.
 
His own wife AND a cop didn't come to his defense. He must feel like a winner! SMH!
I think that's an unfair statement regarding his wife.


he wasn't undercover and has been denied representation by the Union for making false statements
Here's my impression of unions: I'm surprised they're not representing just because he's "one of them" and a dues-paying member.

Pleasantly surprised, I should add.
 
Huh? I was simply asking about if some new evidence came to light. Personally, just for his level of involvement, and the numerous misleading statements he made on the topic, I am unsure how any state body could still employ the guy as an officer of the law.

Sorry, I misunderstood your message. I regret the error.
 
He'll probably say that he was trying to break the window with his helmet to tell the guy that he was going to protect him from the other bikers. (??)

no

He'll say that he had been smoking PCP, dropping LSD, shooting meth, and smoking crack with the bikers in order to find out the drug source.

no

He'll get off.

yeah!
 
In Florida, there more than likely been shots fired. As soon as that first hit to my side window happend, you just brought a helmet to a gunfight.

Maybe.

Maybe that mob, which clearly had little respect for the law, brought a helmet and three dozen guns to a gunfight.

No way for you to know.

Now, I'm certainly not saying that guns need to be taken completely off the table here, and I've actually argued in support of their potential utility in respect to this very situation, but I question the wisdom of a firearm being anyone's first response (as soon as a helmet touched the window).

Seems to me that "getting off the X" as quickly as possible, before the bikers' aggression could escalate beyond banging on windows, was the number one priority if protecting one's wife and kid was the primary task.

You'd want to extricate yourself (and your family) from the threat situation using as much force as is necessary in order to be successful but as little force as is absolutely necessary so as not to elicit an escalation of force by the attackers (and to minimize any potential criminal or civil liability down the road).

It makes sense that you'd not want to do anything to precipitate two dozen thugs dumping two dozen mags into the doors of your vehicle.

Driving away at a high rate of speed, even if the driver went over a few bikers in the execution of his escape, is orders of magnitude lower on the threat scale, as far as the bikers would have to be concerned, than opening fire on them.

If the possibility exists that these guys have guns, and prudence dictates that you have to begin with the premise that they do, you also have to begin with the premise that they're carrying those guns because they're willing to use them at least as necessary to defend their own lives (if threatened).

If anything is going to get a bunch of guys shooting at you, it's gonna be opening fire on them first.

I think there were probably points during the actual events of this confrontation where a firearm would have been useful. I can think of plenty of things that would have made a firearm the right first choice if the situation here had been different. But the situation being what it was the Range Rover driver, even if he had a firearm at the time he was "surrounded", did the right thing by attempting to flee (actually, successfully fleeing).

I think he made a huge mistake in both driving so fast away from the initial scene and in leaving the highway (in order to enter Sunday gridlock in NYC).

He should have taken his time, stayed on the highway doing 30 MPH, bumped any bikers who tried to slow or stop him, made any illegal turns necessary on the highway to ensure steady movement, and been on the phone with 911 the whole time.

But I can't see how having a gun at the initial scene would have made him and his family any "safer" (they were perfectly safe as it was, a gun couldn't have added anything) while on the downside I see where his presented or fired a firearm could have made a bad situation spin into and unrecoverable, out of control situation.
 
Maybe.

Maybe that mob, which clearly had little respect for the law, brought a helmet and three dozen guns to a gunfight.

Yeah, most of the idnividuals arrested and the guy who got converted into a speed bump all have records that would seem to indicate they were "gang bangers"
 
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