Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

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American said:

And you want more government programs. :lamo

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it has been eight days since the healthcare exchanges went online, i think it is too early to be making any pronouncements of success or failure.

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Conservative said:

Why not just eliminate the states and have all the money funneled to the Federal bureaucrats so they can distribute it the way they deem necessary. That the utopia you want?

I don't think you have a clue what our Founders created in this country and show up as a typical brainwashed individual who buys what our street thug from Chicago says. He is making a fool out of you.

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Some powers are delegated to the states and others to the federal government. It's pretty clear that America has always functioned that way. For you to wish for only state government to function is not consistent with the opinion of almost any of the founding fathers. The federal government in this day and age has too much oversight, just like your boss might micromanage, but that's something that we're to blame for. We supposedly are their bosses, but don't act that way.

There is no such thing as a utopia, but when it comes to health care, my thinking is pretty simple. Take me: either I don't have insurance, and I would now owe about $200,000 for various medical services. I can not pay that back, which is bad for everybody else and myself, or I can have insurance and the system is in place to prevent that loss, which is better for everybody involved. For all of the people like me, we can have them sick and in so much debt they will be struggling to pay back the money their entire lives or they will simply not pay it back. Otherwise, we can have a system that prevents them from having to endure this. You may call this selfish, I call it practical. What's more, I believe it will work, and I don't think having a system that prevents people from becoming both sick and in massive debt is a negative thing in any way. Your thinking is so hopelessly twisted that at this point it's a cartoon, it's like a sunday morning editorial page illustration of what only the most disgustingly partisan and right wing Republicans "think." I put that in quotations because almost nobody thinks so blindly and without logic or purpose. Your only goal seems to be to lash out at anybody who isn't you and I'm very glad that you are a tiny minority and will have to watch this country do things to help others while you sit back and stew about it. That gives me real pleasure.

Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

Mustachio;1062406317]Some powers are delegated to the states and others to the federal government. It's pretty clear that America has always functioned that way. For you to wish for only state government to function is not consistent with the opinion of almost any of the founding fathers. The federal government in this day and age has too much oversight, just like your boss might micromanage, but that's something that we're to blame for. We supposedly are their bosses, but don't act that way.

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Don't see mandatory healthcare in the Constitution delegated to the Federal Govt. Don't see marriage in the Constitution delegated to the Federal Govt, see duplications in the EPA and NLRB, Education, Commerce, Labor, Energy taken by the Federal Govt. but also expenses at the state level. I don't see social programs delegated to the Federal Govt. by the Constitution only that being created by the Federal Bureaucrats.

There is no such thing as a utopia, but when it comes to health care, my thinking is pretty simple. Take me: either I don't have insurance, and I would now owe about $200,000 for various medical services. I can not pay that back, which is bad for everybody else and myself, or I can have insurance and the system is in place to prevent that loss, which is better for everybody involved. For all of the people like me, we can have them sick and in so much debt they will be struggling to pay back the money their entire lives or they will simply not pay it back. Otherwise, we can have a system that prevents them from having to endure this. You may call this selfish, I call it practical. What's more, I believe it will work, and I don't think having a system that prevents people from becoming both sick and in massive debt is a negative thing in any way. Your thinking is so hopelessly twisted that at this point it's a cartoon, it's like a sunday morning editorial page illustration of what only the most disgustingly partisan and right wing Republicans "think." I put that in quotations because almost nobody thinks so blindly and without logic or purpose. Your only goal seems to be to lash out at anybody who isn't you and I'm very glad that you are a tiny minority and will have to watch this country do things to help others while you sit back and stew about it. That gives me real pleasure.

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No such thing as Utopia? Tell that to the liberal elites who are trying to create it. The point on insurance is you don't need a Federal mandate to get you insurance. What ACA is going to do is force businesses out of their private insurance funds onto Obamacare and the exchanges and that is going to get liberals to what they really want, a single payer system.

You are dreaming if you believe this federally mandated program is going to work. There has yet to be a federal social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, lowered actual costs, and provided better service. Why is this any different? There are 312 million Americans in 50 separate states all being administered from D.C. that makes no sense.

I lash out at no one, I spent 35 years in the business world, employed over 1200 employees, offered complete healthcare coverage to all employees and got 50% sign up. You cannot force people in a private sector economy to do what they don't want to do. I have the logic, common sense, and experience that you don't have. Doesn't appear that I am in a tiny minority as support for Obamacare is very low and I have posted those results over and over again. It is time for people to take personal responsibility for their actions. Healthcare is a personal responsibility and if you cannot pay your bills an expense at the state level, not the Federal level so why ACA?

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iguanaman said:

The Senate refused to defund/delay the AHC act you mean. They passed the CR and it is sitting back in the House at this moment but Boner won't allow it to come to a vote.

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And? What exactly does that mean, do you think?

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American said:

And you want more government programs. :lamo

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Actually I think the NIH the CDC the EPA the FDA and more have done great missions.

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Conservative said:

Don't see mandatory healthcare in the Constitution delegated to the Federal Govt. Don't see marriage in the Constitution delegated to the Federal Govt, see duplications in the EPA and NLRB, Education, Commerce, Labor, Energy taken by the Federal Govt. but also expenses at the state level. I don't see social programs delegated to the Federal Govt. by the Constitution only that being created by the Federal Bureaucrats.

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I don't see the right to breathe air in the Constitution either. But just try to take that one away....

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winston53660 said:

I don't see the right to breathe air in the Constitution either. But just try to take that one away....

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If it were I am sure you and other liberals would want to tax it

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winston53660 said:

I don't see the right to breathe air in the Constitution either. But just try to take that one away....

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That's because the Constitution doesn't create Rights, it only protects your God-given rights, or natural rights if that's your thing, by limiting the Government's power.

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joG said:

And? What exactly does that mean, do you think?

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It means you lost and we won.

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Photographic evidence that Harry Reid is hard at work rounding up new Obamacare customers:

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iguanaman said:

It means you lost and we won.

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You think so? I don't see how anyone can interpret this in terms of winning and losing. It is too obvious that we cannot go on spending like this and that Obamacare is going to slow the economy initially.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

you expect perfection from software designed by the government?

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They were designed by someone even better. Private companies contracted by the government. The contractors always have one hand in our pocket,

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joG said:

You think so? I don't see how anyone can interpret this in terms of winning and losing. It is too obvious that we cannot go on spending like this and that Obamacare is going to slow the economy initially.

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I'm afraid its your side has characterized this fight that way. I was just using terms you can understand. The truth is we ALL win when our form of govt. withstands assaults from within.
As far as the AHC act, If you know the future then what are you doing posting here? Go buy some lottery tickets.

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joG said:

It is too obvious that we cannot go on spending like this and that Obamacare is going to slow the economy initially.

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Another moving goalpost. Costs of the ACA had nothing to do with the shutdown and any talk about it is a blatant falsehood. Unsurprising that the some folks are parroting the same comments that are coming from right-wing media at the same time.

Initially it was "the american people don't want it". And that proved false.
Then it became "we've got to get something out of this, anything".
Realizing that those comments were bat**** insane, it's now become about the budget.

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trfjr said:

Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits' - Forbes

Obama care is going to need enrollment in the tens of millions by Dec 15 or it will be a bust. more then half of those tens of millions will need to be young and healthy to keep the premiums where they are at, or the price will have to be raised even higher then they already are

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You are right. Pity the foo, aka the conservative, that wasted the opportunity to spend time, money and media attention on a daily monitoring of Obama care in favor of this farce called a shutdown. The Cons, as they do so well, shot themselves in the foot once again with a bazooka. (see also Cons strategy to take US Senate running the likes of Angle, O'Donnell, Buck. Mourdack, and Akin)

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iguanaman said:

I'm afraid its your side has characterized this fight that way. I was just using terms you can understand. The truth is we ALL win when our form of govt. withstands assaults from within.
As far as the AHC act, If you know the future then what are you doing posting here? Go buy some lottery tickets.

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Thank you for using small words for me. Every little bit helps.

As to the future, there are economics and political science have found a few cause-effect sequences, that societies usually follow. Such were, what I mentioned above. It had nothing to do with lottery tickets. Share and bond prices however are affected.

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reinoe said:

Another moving goalpost. Costs of the ACA had nothing to do with the shutdown and any talk about it is a blatant falsehood. Unsurprising that the some folks are parroting the same comments that are coming from right-wing media at the same time.

Initially it was "the american people don't want it". And that proved false.
Then it became "we've got to get something out of this, anything".
Realizing that those comments were bat**** insane, it's now become about the budget.

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I do not think I said anywhere that the shutdown had anything more to do with Obamacare or that "the american people don't want it". All I did, was to point out that Obamacare has already and will for a certain time slow economic activity. Anyone that says otherwise does not know much economics. That does not mean that the later multipliers cannot be positive. They can and probably will. What it means is that we are close to a recession and putting the brakes on in the form of Obamacare is probably very bad for a huge number of citizens.

If you are okay with that, fine. But please stick to the facts.

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joG said:

I do not think I said anywhere that the shutdown had anything more to do with Obamacare or that "the american people don't want it". All I did, was to point out that Obamacare has already and will for a certain time slow economic activity. Anyone that says otherwise does not know much economics. That does not mean that the later multipliers cannot be positive. They can and probably will. What it means is that we are close to a recession and puting the brakes on in the form of Obamacare is probably very bad for a huge number of citizens.

If you are okay with that, fine. But please stick to the facts.

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The ACA was never about cutting spending, it was about creating access. If you have concerns about spending then you should contact your congresscritter and have them cut spending from the three sacred cows: military, social security, and medicare.

Two out of three of those are entitlements for senior citizens.

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allpoliticsbaby said:

They were designed by someone even better. Private companies contracted by the government. The contractors always have one hand in our pocket,

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So does the govt.

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reinoe said:

The ACA was never about cutting spending, it was about creating access. If you have concerns about spending then you should contact your congresscritter and have them cut spending from the three sacred cows: military, social security, and medicare.

Two out of three of those are entitlements for senior citizens.

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That is probably the major drawback. There is access to medical care in the US. The government spends more per capita for the healthcare of the poor and aged than Germany that prides itself to have one of the most social healthcare systems in the world. That leaves the earning young and middle class. They can take down insurance themselves, if they want. So don't let the propaganda blind you. The problem is that the government found itself paying the bills of persons that didn't take down insurance and were therefore hitting the public budget.

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reinoe said:

Another moving goalpost. Costs of the ACA had nothing to do with the shutdown and any talk about it is a blatant falsehood. Unsurprising that the some folks are parroting the same comments that are coming from right-wing media at the same time.

Initially it was "the american people don't want it". And that proved false.
Then it became "we've got to get something out of this, anything".
Realizing that those comments were bat**** insane, it's now become about the budget.

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Do you get paid to post for the Obama Administration? How is the govt. shutdown affecting you and your family? You spout the DNC talking points ignoring that the House is doing exactly what the people who sent them to D.C. told them to do. You see, like all liberals a 17 trillion debt that exceeds our yearly GDP doesn't matter at all.

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reinoe said:

The ACA was never about cutting spending, it was about creating access. If you have concerns about spending then you should contact your congresscritter and have them cut spending from the three sacred cows: military, social security, and medicare.

Two out of three of those are entitlements for senior citizens.

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Do you get your talking points from Jon Stewart or the DNC?

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joG said:

That is probably the major drawback. There is access to medical care in the US. The government spends more per capita for the healthcare of the poor and aged than Germany that prides itself to have one of the most social healthcare systems in the world. That leaves the earning young and middle class. They can take down insurance themselves, if they want. So don't let the propaganda blind you. The problem is that the government found itself paying the bills of persons that didn't take down insurance and were therefore hitting the public budget.

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what is missing here is the fact that the uninsured expenses hit the state and local communities, not the Federal Taxapayer. All ACS is another slush fund for the politicians to use to buy votes and keeping people dependent.

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Conservative said:

what is missing here is the fact that the uninsured expenses hit the state and local communities, not the Federal Taxapayer. All ACS is another slush fund for the politicians to use to buy votes and keeping people dependent.

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Of course.

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Conservative said:

what is missing here is the fact that the uninsured expenses hit the state and local communities, not the Federal Taxapayer. All ACS is another slush fund for the politicians to use to buy votes and keeping people dependent.

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Another slush fund? I suppose the "others" are Medicare and SS. And YES they make the people happier and more secure, is that what you hate? Happy people? No wonder your type are so rapidly becoming dinosaurs.