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Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

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vvx said:
I don't doubt it, but the reason a hospital provides $143 million of free care isn't really charity. They get people in that they have to treat that have no way to pay. The hospital could try collecting the debts, and they do sometimes. But when you have patients that realistically could never pay their bill it may make more sense for the hospital to forget about collecting it and write it off. It looks better for the hospital to give away care than to try to garnish wages from minimum wage workers or extract money from the unemployed, after all. Ultimately the costs of treatment get paid by charging higher prices to others.
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Yeah, its a Catholic non-profit hospital, so its a charity.
 
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reinoe said:
Do you have any idea how health insurance enrollment works for most people? This is a question of actual curiosity.

Before you answer you should know I sell health insurance. These numbers are neither surprising nor alarming.
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Yes, you shop around, compare options, and stew on it till the last minute. Maryland is the only exchange to actually offer statistics on sign ups.

The real question is how many young, healthy people, did they get to sign up. They need 4 out of every 10 signups to be young a healthy, or it collapses under its own weight.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Wait....let me get this....you claim FEDERAL tax dollars do not go to Texas to pay for uninsured care, I post documentation that TX does get FEDERAL tax dollars to pay for the uninsured.....and your defense is....that I don't understand where FEDERAL tax dollars come from?

Good grief Con, you have been dancing all day long and your reasoning has become completely delusionary from exhaustion. Give it a rest.
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Medicaid is an insurance program for low income individuals. it is a 50-50 state/federal program administered by the states. You don't seem to understand the concept of insurance vs. no insurance.
 
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trfjr said:
Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits' - Forbes

Obama care is going to need enrollment in the tens of millions by Dec 15 or it will be a bust. more then half of those tens of millions will need to be young and healthy to keep the premiums where they are at, or the price will have to be raised even higher then they already are
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Time will tell whether the ACA will be a success or not.
It was interesting that the servers where overwhelmed and that the design team did not have a guess
at the level of anticipated demand and have a more robust system in place.
That's like 1-800-Flowers being surprised at the level of demand around Valentine's Day.
 
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You know that one guy who successfully signed up for ObamaCare? He didn’t

The 21-year-old student from Georgia was cited in multiple articles as being one of the few, the proud, the successful to signed up for insurance through a federal exchange.

On his Facebook page, Chad Henderson bragged about being interviewed by "The Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Chattanooga Times Free Press, The Huffington Post, Enroll America, and Politico," along with several local TV affiliates.

His story supposedly was proof that for all their glitches and problems - and the ambivalence of young people - the new health insurance exchanges were working after all.

Except it seems like it was all a lie. ....
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Mustachio said:
There are people with mental health issues, there are people who require therapy, there are people who require medication they cannot afford. There are people who need regular checkups with a doctor because they have a much higher risk of becoming diabetic because of lifestyle choices. You think that getting a physical once in a while means preventative care? How about the people who have bronchitis and don't treat it because they can't afford to go to a doctor and pay for the medication?

How about people who are alcoholics and can't afford to go to treatment? How about people who have chronic pain because of their jobs? Is a physical going to help any of those people? All I'd like you to do is think. That's all I'm asking.
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Yes, all you say is true which you stated previously '...The end result will be a better system, one in which people start getting preventative care. It's going to make our country better...'. Note that you said 'start getting' meaning that presumably they haven't been diagnosed with the various conditions you list YET. Others you list are conditions that are already know and 'preventive care' will not address. But you failed to address the question I asked; My confusion is how someone cannot afford to set aside $8-$20/month to cover the annual expense and yet will be able to afford $?(presumably much more) per month in premiums? Wanna try again?

As to 'chronic pain because of their jobs' the vast majority of the States have mandated workers compensation insurance for employers for this issue...WAY prior to PPACA.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Wait....let me get this....you claim FEDERAL tax dollars do not go to Texas to pay for uninsured care, I post documentation that TX does get FEDERAL tax dollars to pay for the uninsured.....and your defense is....that I don't understand where FEDERAL tax dollars come from?

Good grief Con, you have been dancing all day long and your reasoning has become completely delusionary from exhaustion. Give it a rest.
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Notice anything interesting in this chart? TX is the big state located on the southern border of the country

Is Your State A Net Giver or Taker of Federal Taxes? | The Big Picture
 
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Mustachio said:
Side story: at my old place of work, there was a girl waiting to get onto their health care plan, and she couldn't go to a doctor for her bronchitis until her plan kicked it. She coughed up blood for 2 weeks.

I was a not-so-lazy 27 year old who had health care and didn't use it. I was extremely healthy. Hell, I ran 10 miles a day and walked everywhere I went. It turned out that for years I had a cyst I didn't know about. It ruptured and caused permanent nerve damage (it's a longer story but I gave you the nutshell). If I hadn't had health insurance, I would owe a hundred thousand dollars in medical bills. I would be paying it off the rest of my life. It would impact every part of my life and I would be a less productive member of society. I'd probably have to declare bankruptcy, ruin my credit, and enjoy my future of desperately trying to buy a house that I couldn't get a loan for. Or I could work two jobs to pay off my bills, thus never having the time to find a good job where I could make a lot of money and be one of those people who rants about the liberals spending their hard earned dollars. What would likely happen is that I'd either be unable to pay the money back or I'd need government assistance to survive. Who pays for that?

I guess it's all about experiences. Maybe your experiences are that it's good for people to go bankrupt because of medical problems. I don't know what planet that happens on, but let me know the name of it and I'll visit sometime.
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Is it good for people to go bankrupt because the lost their job or had their hours cut back because the government wants productive people to pay health insurance for those to stupid, to lazy or choose a lifestyle that won't allow for success (present victims of the Obama presidency excluded)? Unfortunately, right now such a place exists on planet earth and it's called America. The good news is, one way or another it won't last forever. The bad news is, if legislation won't fix the situation economic reality will. Then everybody really gets to fend for themselves.
 
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Dickieboy said:
Yes, all you say is true which you stated previously '...The end result will be a better system, one in which people start getting preventative care. It's going to make our country better...'. Note that you said 'start getting' meaning that presumably they haven't been diagnosed with the various conditions you list YET. Others you list are conditions that are already know and 'preventive care' will not address. But you failed to address the question I asked; My confusion is how someone cannot afford to set aside $8-$20/month to cover the annual expense and yet will be able to afford $?(presumably much more) per month in premiums? Wanna try again
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First, I never said they couldn't afford $20 dollars a month for "the annual expense." I said most people who don't have insurance don't want to jump through hoops to get it. I think that's mostly what it's about, because of course there are a select few people who can't afford anything. The subsidies allowed through the ACA will help low income individuals, but there will be some people who can only afford free insurance. I think states are allowed to provide free insurance to very low income earners under the ACA, so that will really be a state by state issue.

Either way, most people who don't have insurance can afford it, they choose not to have it for some reason. And most of them go to the ER at some point. And at that point, is that $8-$20 annually? No, that's potentially $8,000 for one visit, which is half of some people's annual income. A periodic checkup can't prevent a broken bone or some horrible infection. I think you're the one who has a lot of questions you're leaving unanswered. Why are you so concerned with just the people who absolutely can't afford any health insurance and will be hit with the fine?
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Is it good for people to go bankrupt because the lost their job or had their hours cut back because the government wants productive people to pay health insurance for those to stupid, to lazy or choose a lifestyle that won't allow for success (present victims of the Obama presidency excluded)? Unfortunately, right now such a place exists on planet earth and it's called America. The good news is, one way or another it won't last forever. The bad news is, if legislation won't fix the situation economic reality will. Then everybody really gets to fend for themselves.
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Dog, don't you get it, you're already paying for those people (who I won't call stupid because some of them really have had horrible things happen to them). When they get saddled with unmanageable medical debt, we're all paying for it. SO glad you're in touch with your outrage but find a better place to put it, please.
 
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Deuce said:
Minnesota says you're welcome.
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The goal should be to get 1.00 back for every dollar sent to D.C. and TX gets .91 so is a net payer of taxes. Minnesota gets .64 back from every dollar sent.
 
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Mustachio said:
Dog, don't you get it, you're already paying for those people (who I won't call stupid because some of them really have had horrible things happen to them). When they get saddled with unmanageable medical debt, we're all paying for it. SO glad you're in touch with your outrage but find a better place to put it, please.
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No, WE all aren't paying for it, only the states in which it occurred.
 
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Conservative said:
The goal should be to get 1.00 back for every dollar sent to D.C. and TX gets .91 so is a net payer of taxes. Minnesota gets .64 back from every dollar sent.
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Why is that the goal?
 
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Conservative said:
Medicaid is an insurance program for low income individuals. it is a 50-50 state/federal program administered by the states. You don't seem to understand the concept of insurance vs. no insurance.
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I am not surprised that you have decided to continue to focus on the Medicaid information......while you ignore the portion of the facts that focus directly on countering your claim. Your claim was that federal tax dollars do not fund the uninsured costs in Tx. The fact is, as shown in the Chron article, that Federal tax dollars go to Tx to pay for both shortfalls in uninsured coverage and shortfalls in Medicaid coverage. The point still is that we all pay for the uninsured, not just directly but also indirectly.
 
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Conservative said:
No, WE all aren't paying for it, only the states in which it occurred.
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False, as you have been shown over and over.
 
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Mustachio said:
Dog, don't you get it, you're already paying for those people (who I won't call stupid because some of them really have had horrible things happen to them). When they get saddled with unmanageable medical debt, we're all paying for it. SO glad you're in touch with your outrage but find a better place to put it, please.
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The problem is that I do get it.

This disaster of a law, Obamadon'tcare, is costing people their livelihoods and is preventing others from obtaining a decent life because it is a job killer. Plus, Obamadon'tcare is an unmanageable debt because the taxpayers will pay for medicaid or subsidies and still get stuck with the tab for anyone not covered. The biggest difference to the taxpayer will be the huge increase he or she is responsible for. It's a lose, lose for the taxpayer and that's before individual liberty is even considered.

At least on this part you typed out we are in agreement, " (who I won't call stupid because some of them really have had horrible things happen to them). When they get saddled with unmanageable medical debt, we're all paying for it. SO glad you're in touch with your outrage but find a better place to put it, please. ". Yes some people get hit with bad luck and nothing is ever going to change that. The others are stupid, lazy or committed to a lifestyle that prevents success (minus those hurt by the Obama presidency).
 
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Conservative said:
No, WE all aren't paying for it, only the states in which it occurred.
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and they occur in every state. So yes, we are all paying for it.
 
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Deuce said:
Why is that the goal?
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If you don't know the answer to that question then you are part of the problem and never will be able to implement a solution. Sending a dollar to D.C. and getting .91 back is typical liberal logic. Seems we are getting closer and closer to that liberal utopia where we have one massive central govt. that collects all the money and then distributes it as they see fit. What a wonderful world that would be, right?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
I am not surprised that you have decided to continue to focus on the Medicaid information......while you ignore the portion of the facts that focus directly on countering your claim. Your claim was that federal tax dollars do not fund the uninsured costs in Tx. The fact is, as shown in the Chron article, that Federal tax dollars go to Tx to pay for both shortfalls in uninsured coverage and shortfalls in Medicaid coverage. The point still is that we all pay for the uninsured, not just directly but also indirectly.
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The point remains, Medicaid is an insurance program and people sign up for and covers the cost of medical treatment. That isn't the issue on the uninsured and you ought to know that. Fact, the Federal govt. sends money to the states for Medicaid insurance and that money is managed by the state govt. As was pointed out but you ignored, no laws were violated in what TX has done and in fact hospitals that take care of the poor continues to be supported by the General fund of the State of TX.

You are so busy blaming TX and everyone else for Obama and liberalism failures that you simply look and sound foolish. This country has a serious problem and it starts with people like you.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
False, as you have been shown over and over.
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Wrong, people on Medicaid are insured, people that are uninsured are funded by the taxpayers of the state. Prove me wrong. I wonder what it is about liberalism that creates totally dedicated people like you to programs of failure.
 
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Mustachio said:
and they occur in every state. So yes, we are all paying for it.
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Then it should be handled in the state not the Federal Govt. Why should a federal bureaucrat decide where to send money when that expense is at the state level? You and others like you are working hard to get that liberal utopian dream of a large central govt with permanent liberal power collecting all the money and distributing it how the bureaucrats want. You don't see a problem with that and therein lies the real problem.
 
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Conservative said:
Wrong, people on Medicaid are insured, people that are uninsured are funded by the taxpayers of the state.
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Yeah the uninsured get *druh roll please* medicaid!
 
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Conservative said:
The point remains, Medicaid is an insurance program and people sign up for and covers the cost of medical treatment. That isn't the issue on the uninsured and you ought to know that. Fact, the Federal govt. sends money to the states for Medicaid insurance and that money is managed by the state govt. As was pointed out but you ignored, no laws were violated in what TX has done and in fact hospitals that take care of the poor continues to be supported by the General fund of the State of TX.

You are so busy blaming TX and everyone else for Obama and liberalism failures that you simply look and sound foolish. This country has a serious problem and it starts with people like you.
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Again and again you continue this moronic argument that ignores the point. The point is not about Medicaid, the point is not about Texas, the point is not about the diversion of federal funds......THE POINT IS THAT ALL STATES RECEIVE FEDERAL DOLLARS TO COVER UNINSURED MEDICAL COSTS.

You are so busy trying to find any and all tangents to bury the main point of the counter-argument because it directly counters your false claim.
 
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