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Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

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CycloneWanderer said:
Is it safe to say that WWII was less complex and had fewer moving parts than the ACA?
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My dad used to say, 'the only reason to make something complicated, is to hide the less attractive aspects within.'

Now considering that, a bill that is 2800 pages, and carries along with it, some 20,000 pages of new regulations, must really be some horrible stuff hidden in there.
 
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I totally know that I am putting a red cape in front of you Obamabot liberal bulls out there but this actually nails it. Yes, I know it comes from Fox News thus is to be ignored by Obamabots however the logic, common sense, and facts in this cannot be ignored. The reality is Obamabots don't really care as they will support Obama as he leads them over the cliff. Rather sad that we have people like that who don't think and simply buy what they are told. Read the comments and rather than attack the messenger respond to the message.

Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday

Mr. President, Fox News isn't what's making Americans sick about your healthcare law. Your healthcare law is. Welcome, everybody, I'm Neil Cavuto. And excuse this departure from form. But I think this is just poor form. So, it's time we set some things straight.

Mr. President, we at Fox News are not the problem. I hate to break it to you, sir. You are. Your words are. Your promises are. We didn't sell this healthcare law. Sir, you did. Remember this?

President Barack Obama: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.

Mr. President, tell that to tens of thousands of retirees at IBM and Time Warner and dozens of others, who've been dumped from their coverage and told to find their own coverage. Fox News didn't break that news to them, Mr. President. Their companies did.

Fox News didn't push more of those firms to hire part-time workers. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't incentivize fast food restaurants to scale back their benefits. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make doctors want to opt out. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make insurance premiums skyrocket. Your healthcare law did. Just like Fox News didn't grant hundreds of exemptions to companies that needed them. You did. And Fox News didn't delay one key provision after another, including online enrollment for those small business exchanges. You did.

Just like it wasn't Fox News that said we had to pass this to see what was in this. You did. Or was that Nancy Pelosi? Sometimes I'm confused. But of this I am not. Fox News didn't re-do basic math. Sir, you did. Fox News didn't say you can cover 30 million more Americans and not see a hit in premiums. You did. Fox News didn't say you could throw in those with pre-existing conditions and not have to pay for it. You did. Fox News didn't all but say you could get something for nothing. You did. Fox News didn't come back years later and say, oh yea, we did raise some taxes. You did.

Here's where you are right about Fox News, however, Mr. President. We can do math. And did. You cannot. And did not. We said it, and proved it. You didn't. And we're all suffering for it. Take it from the numbers guy at Fox. Numbers don't lie. The number of Americans working part-time and nervous. The number of retirees days away from being dumped on exchanges and anxious. The number of company bosses with any news to pass along on those exchanges, but still clueless. The number of doctors who want out. The number of congressmen now opting out. No, Mr. President, none of those numbers lie.

But with all due respect sir, I can only conclude you do know; I know, I know you hate us at Fox. But please take a look in a mirror, and fast. You think we're the skunk at your picnic. But that doesn't mean we're the ones that stink. Because that smell isn't coming from the folks reporting on your law. Mr. President, that smell is your law.
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Conservative said:
I totally know that I am putting a red cape in front of you Obamabot liberal bulls out there but this actually nails it. Yes, I know it comes from Fox News thus is to be ignored by Obamabots however the logic, common sense, and facts in this cannot be ignored. The reality is Obamabots don't really care as they will support Obama as he leads them over the cliff. Rather sad that we have people like that who don't think and simply buy what they are told. Read the comments and rather than attack the messenger respond to the message.

Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday
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Boom! Cavuto scored a center mass hit. Thanks for posting.:yes::thumbs:
 
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Conservative said:
I totally know that I am putting a red cape in front of you Obamabot liberal bulls out there but this actually nails it. Yes, I know it comes from Fox News thus is to be ignored by Obamabots however the logic, common sense, and facts in this cannot be ignored. The reality is Obamabots don't really care as they will support Obama as he leads them over the cliff. Rather sad that we have people like that who don't think and simply buy what they are told. Read the comments and rather than attack the messenger respond to the message.

Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday
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Neil Cavuto is full of crap, the Fox News Channel have done everything they could do to demonize Obamacare. You know it, and I know it. I could pull a bunch of Media Matters posts to prove it, but it not worth my time. BTW, that comment he mentions about Pelosi passing the bill? What she meant by that comment was that there were so many amendments coming from the Republicans that it was impossible to know what was exactly in it until the House passed it.
 
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pbrauer said:
Neil Cavuto is full of crap, the Fox News Channel have done everything they could do to demonize Obamacare. You know it, and I know it. I could pull a bunch of Media Matters posts to prove it, but it not worth my time. BTW, that comment he mentions about Pelosi passing the bill? What she meant by that comment was that there were so many amendments coming from the Republicans that it was impossible to know what was exactly in it until the House passed it.
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Got it, again attacking the messenger is what you always do while ignoring the message. You and the other Obamabots better wake up to what is happening to this country. You want badly to believe liberalism in spite of all the failures and that speaks volumes for your own failures. Tell me exactly what Cavuto said that was inaccurate? As for Pelosi you are speculating on what she meant by her statement but always give her the benefit of doubt. Cavuto is right on, doctors are dropping patients, healthcare companies are dropping the insured, costs are skyrocketing, businesses are dropping employees, people are losing hours and yet you continue to beat the drum for this empty suit. the question is why?
 
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Conservative said:
Got it, again attacking the messenger is what you always do while ignoring the message. You and the other Obamabots better wake up to what is happening to this country. You want badly to believe liberalism in spite of all the failures and that speaks volumes for your own failures. Tell me exactly what Cavuto said that was inaccurate? As for Pelosi you are speculating on what she meant by her statement but always give her the benefit of doubt. Cavuto is right on, doctors are dropping patients, healthcare companies are dropping the insured, costs are skyrocketing, businesses are dropping employees, people are losing hours and yet you continue to beat the drum for this empty suit. the question is why?
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Where are his or yours for that matter statistics to prove any of this. It's just rhetoric. Do you Obamacare has saved lives?
 
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pbrauer said:
Where are his or yours for that matter statistics to prove any of this. It's just rhetoric. Do you Obamacare has saved lives?
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Oh, wow, Obamacare has saved lives? That is quite a stretch and total desperation.

Do you get any news on the left coast? I am tired of doing the research for you only to be ignored. Prove that the statements are incorrect or do what you normally do, ignore them.
 
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head of joaquin said:
Oh dear, it appears another tea party meme has bit the dust.

Obamacare Enrollment Is Beating Expectations | ThinkProgress
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Isn't that amazing, an article from a leftwing organization written on October 1, the first day of enrollment claiming success? What a shocker! You really are a tool for the left. How much are you getting paid.

Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits' - Forbes
 
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Blue_State said:
I think you just put everything that is wrong with our political system in one sentence. Us verse them. If the idiots on the hill worked together, we would be much better off.
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It is called freedom and it is not a right, it is a responsibility.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Ok, I think I see your problem here. The maority of the PUBLIC did not and still does not want the individual mandate. The GOVERNMENT, those in congress, that passed Obamacare ignored the public completely on this. They lost the public vote in the Mandate, yet Congress still voted FOR the mandate. Congress did not represent the people with Obamacare. Do you not see a difference there? A problem with that?
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The public has already had multiple elections for president and congress with options to take out the people who would vote for this and put people clearly for removing it into office. They have not done that, so you cannot say that is what they want. Even with all the republican gerrymandering they do not have the power to do so, and next election will be another wake up call for your party. Actually it won't be the wake up call it will be a split of your party with the radical tea party base going on their own and moderates voting for dems. You are going to get hammered because of this fit. There is no vote right now. The only polls showing republicans are doing well are polling republicans. The information of the internet is out there and faux news is being drowned out by the noise of information rather than misinformation and it is just getting stronger. The only people avoiding the internet and it's messages are the old and dying people living in faux land. Their illusion is coming to an end.
 
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tererun said:
The public has already had multiple elections for president and congress with options to take out the people who would vote for this and put people clearly for removing it into office. They have not done that, so you cannot say that is what they want. Even with all the republican gerrymandering they do not have the power to do so, and next election will be another wake up call for your party. Actually it won't be the wake up call it will be a split of your party with the radical tea party base going on their own and moderates voting for dems. You are going to get hammered because of this fit. There is no vote right now. The only polls showing republicans are doing well are polling republicans. The information of the internet is out there and faux news is being drowned out by the noise of information rather than misinformation and it is just getting stronger. The only people avoiding the internet and it's messages are the old and dying people living in faux land. Their illusion is coming to an end.
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What part of this do you not understand? The more people see of Obama the more they are dissatisfied with his performance as the poll numbers show, Realclear has his JAR at 44% today and then the more doctors, businesses, hospitals, and information on costs that show up the more people realize that Obama is a street thug from Chicago who forced Obamacare on them behind closed doors without public input.

Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday. The points he makes just couldn't be made any better.
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Obama is blaming Fox News for 2/3 of the country disliking Obamacare. Here's Neil Cavuto's explanation and it is great. If you don't understand what is bad about ObamaCare please read his comments and you will understand.
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Mr. President, Fox News isn't what's making Americans sick about your healthcare law. Your healthcare law is. Welcome, everybody, I'm Neil Cavuto. And excuse this departure from form. But I think this is just poor form. So, it's time we set some things straight.

Mr. President, we at Fox News are not the problem. I hate to break it to you, sir. You are. Your words are. Your promises are. We didn't sell this healthcare law. Sir, you did. Remember this?

President Barack Obama: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.

Mr. President, tell that to tens of thousands of retirees at IBM and Time Warner and dozens of others, who've been dumped from their coverage and told to find their own coverage. Fox News didn't break that news to them, Mr. President. Their companies did.

Fox News didn't push more of those firms to hire part-time workers. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't incentivize fast food restaurants to scale back their benefits. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make doctors want to opt out. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make insurance premiums skyrocket. Your healthcare law did. Just like Fox News didn't grant hundreds of exemptions to companies that needed them. You did. And Fox News didn't delay one key provision after another, including online enrollment for those small business exchanges. You did.

Just like it wasn't Fox News that said we had to pass this to see what was in this. You did. Or was that Nancy Pelosi? Sometimes I'm confused. But of this I am not. Fox News didn't re-do basic math. Sir, you did. Fox News didn't say you can cover 30 million more Americans and not see a hit in premiums. You did. Fox News didn't say you could throw in those with pre-existing conditions and not have to pay for it. You did. Fox News didn't all but say you could get something for nothing. You did. Fox News didn't come back years later and say, oh yea, we did raise some taxes. You did.

Here's where you are right about Fox News, however, Mr. President. We can do math. And did. You cannot. And did not. We said it, and proved it. You didn't. And we're all suffering for it. Take it from the numbers guy at Fox. Numbers don't lie. The number of Americans working part-time and nervous. The number of retirees days away from being dumped on exchanges and anxious. The number of company bosses with any news to pass along on those exchanges, but still clueless. The number of doctors who want out. The number of congressmen now opting out. No, Mr. President, none of those numbers lie.

But with all due respect sir, I can only conclude you do know; I know, I know you hate us at Fox. But please take a look in a mirror, and fast. You think we're the skunk at your picnic. But that doesn't mean we're the ones that stink. Because that smell isn't coming from the folks reporting on your law. Mr. President, that smell is your law.
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tererun said:
It is called freedom and it is not a right, it is a responsibility.
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Freedom is a right guaranteed by our Constitution but with that Freedom COMES Responsibility.
 
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Conservative said:
What part of this do you not understand? The more people see of Obama the more they are dissatisfied with his performance as the poll numbers show, Realclear has his JAR at 44% today and then the more doctors, businesses, hospitals, and information on costs that show up the more people realize that Obama is a street thug from Chicago who forced Obamacare on them behind closed doors without public input.
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Yes, they are not satisfied. I will agree to that. However you miss why they are not satisfied. They are not satisfied because Obama has given in so much to the right. So they are not going to be satisfied by going more right. They are pissed at Obama for not screwing the republicans sooner. Your talking heads are delusional and lying to you and themselves just like they did during the last election when they could not believe romney lost. They are believing their own BS and no matter how much you believe and clap your hands reality is not changing to correspond to their views. I am telling you the hammer is above your head and you are not listening. That is all I can do. You want to get hit because you do not want to live in a world where people aside from the radical christian right exist in peace and harmony. You hate them because they do not agree with your theology and you want to take away the world because you are spoiled. You know what you are wrong. All you will do is smash the system of entitlement and riches that the big money illusion makers have constructed. You are destroying your own construct that gave you power because you are too selfish. I am not going to do a thing, but you are going to bring your castle down on your head. When it is done people like me will show others how to put it back together in a reasonable fashion and keep false faiths like yours out. I am not talking about christianity here. i am talking about the right wing fundamental theology that says that white is right and everyone else can suck it. jesus did not believe what you believe.
 
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Conservative said:
Freedom is a right guaranteed by our Constitution but with that Freedom COMES Responsibility.
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No freedom is not a right. It requires you to take responsibility for your actions and to understand how you effect the world and to do so in a mindful and constructive way. That is the good part of freedom. You just want to piss all over everything you do not like, and that is fascism. freedom means saying I am going to work with my neighbors and make my community better, or I am going to go over here and do my thing in peace. Anything else is you trying to impose your opinions on others and sometimes that has to happen. Sometimes we say killing people is wrong so we will punish those who do it. Sometimes we say stealing is wrong so we will punish those who do that. But we can come together and say we can work together to advance things like education, infrastructure, medicine, food, shelter, clothing, and provide those things for everyone. That does not mean you get the best, but we can provide you with the minimals and I am sure when you see other people having fun you will wish to join in and contribute to society. That is freedom.
 
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tererun said:
No freedom is not a right.
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Nonsense. Try reading the Constitution. The Bill of Rights will be especially enlightening.:peace
 
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tererun said:
It is called freedom and it is not a right, it is a responsibility.
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I am not sure how your response responds to or remarks to my quote.

I remarked on how our system is messed up because our elected leaders are not working with each other. They have divided into us and them.

Are you trying to say that their division is freedom? I am utterly confused on how your response is any logical response to what I said.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Nonsense. Try reading the Constitution. The Bill of Rights will be especially enlightening.:peace
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They threw those documents out long ago.
 
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tererun said:
No freedom is not a right.
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Life, liberty and property are the most fundamental of rights.

freedom means saying I am going to work with my neighbors and make my community better,
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No it does not mean that. Freedom means the choice to work with your neighbors as well as the choice not to. Funding government inherently infringes on liberty, so it should be kept to the most basic and necessary functions. Making sure everyone's needs are met is not basic and necessary, because adults can do that for themselves. They are not children of their government.

Sometimes we say killing people is wrong so we will punish those who do it. Sometimes we say stealing is wrong so we will punish those who do that.
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Yes, our government can deprive people of liberty, property and even life... via due process and on a case by case basis. That is a basic and necessary function of government. Regulating commerce, promoting good faith and fair dealing, enforcing valid contracting, etc. Adults are entitled to legal protection against abuse by others (i.e., criminal and civil courts protect people from depriving one another of aforementioned rights).

But we can come together and say we can work together to advance things like education, infrastructure, medicine, food, shelter, clothing, and provide those things for everyone.
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You got carried away there. Rein it in. We should not come together and provide for basic needs, because adults are their own guardians, their responsibility is to meet their own needs and the needs of their dependents (if any).

You're trying to spin it to say that with freedom/self-guardianship comes a responsibility to agree with your neighbors that we should meet everyone's needs governmentally. That's absurd. The responsibility inherent to freedom and self-guardianship is to make prudent choices that will meet your own needs for yourself. Did you not grasp that when you moved out of your parents' house?

That does not mean you get the best, but we can provide you with the minimals and I am sure when you see other people having fun you will wish to join in and contribute to society. That is freedom.
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No, that is bull****. Your description of freedom is straight-up doublespeak. You couldn't be more wrong.
 
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tererun said:
juvenile is not being able to repeal it with votes so you do not allow a vote on everything else. That is juvenile my republican friend. If the votes for the continuing resolution were for a shutdown then I would be cool with it, but since they are not then it makes no sense as an adult rational person to do this.
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Juvenile is passing something this huge without the required 60 votes in the Senate.
 
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Blue_State said:
I am not sure how your response responds to or remarks to my quote.

I remarked on how our system is messed up because our elected leaders are not working with each other. They have divided into us and them.

Are you trying to say that their division is freedom? I am utterly confused on how your response is any logical response to what I said.
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If you do not understand then you will need help in freedom. Freedom doesn't tell you how to behave. Freedom doesn't tell you what church to go to, what morals to follow, or anything like that. When you understand that your actions have consequences it is then you decide how you will contribute to society. I don't go out and not kill people because the laws says I should not. I do not need a law to tell me it is wrong to steal from people. I know those things now, and others do not so they need laws and rules and less freedom to hurt others.
 
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tererun said:
Yes, they are not satisfied. I will agree to that. However you miss why they are not satisfied. They are not satisfied because Obama has given in so much to the right. So they are not going to be satisfied by going more right. They are pissed at Obama for not screwing the republicans sooner. Your talking heads are delusional and lying to you and themselves just like they did during the last election when they could not believe romney lost. They are believing their own BS and no matter how much you believe and clap your hands reality is not changing to correspond to their views. I am telling you the hammer is above your head and you are not listening. That is all I can do. You want to get hit because you do not want to live in a world where people aside from the radical christian right exist in peace and harmony. You hate them because they do not agree with your theology and you want to take away the world because you are spoiled. You know what you are wrong. All you will do is smash the system of entitlement and riches that the big money illusion makers have constructed. You are destroying your own construct that gave you power because you are too selfish. I am not going to do a thing, but you are going to bring your castle down on your head. When it is done people like me will show others how to put it back together in a reasonable fashion and keep false faiths like yours out. I am not talking about christianity here. i am talking about the right wing fundamental theology that says that white is right and everyone else can suck it. jesus did not believe what you believe.
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What world do you live in? What did Obama give into the right on? You are entitled to your own opinion but you certainly aren't entitled to your own facts. This is the most devisive President I have ever seen. Did you see what he did to McCain in the Healthcare meeting? How about Paul Ryan in talking about the budget? This "Street Thug" President is a Community agitator not a leader and is destroying the economy of this country.

You have no idea what Jesus believed because I assure you it was compassionate spending that generated positive results not just spending in the name of compassion to make people like you feel good.
 
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tererun said:
No freedom is not a right. It requires you to take responsibility for your actions and to understand how you effect the world and to do so in a mindful and constructive way. That is the good part of freedom. You just want to piss all over everything you do not like, and that is fascism. freedom means saying I am going to work with my neighbors and make my community better, or I am going to go over here and do my thing in peace. Anything else is you trying to impose your opinions on others and sometimes that has to happen. Sometimes we say killing people is wrong so we will punish those who do it. Sometimes we say stealing is wrong so we will punish those who do that. But we can come together and say we can work together to advance things like education, infrastructure, medicine, food, shelter, clothing, and provide those things for everyone. That does not mean you get the best, but we can provide you with the minimals and I am sure when you see other people having fun you will wish to join in and contribute to society. That is freedom.
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I have to disagree. Freedom might not be a right in many countries around the globe, but it is the one important thing our Constitution and Bill of Rights grants us here in America. That's one reason why I'm thankful I don't live in North Korea, for instance. When even China is getting on board by increasing freedoms for their people, including encouraging them to personally buy precious metals such as gold coins, that says a lot!

Greetings, telerun. :2wave:
 
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