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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Of course I "get it" from what I've heard. And read, and seen and experienced. My son in law, daughter and three of my grandkids lost their health insurance because of this disaster. They are not rich, they are not poor.
    Why did they lose their health insurance? Do you mean that now they have to get better insurance, and since they're middle of the road people, they qualify for subsidies? I don't know, I speak from my own experience, but right now I'm going to pay about half as much for better insurance because of this. What am I missing?
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Why did they lose their health insurance? Do you mean that now they have to get better insurance, and since they're middle of the road people, they qualify for subsidies? I don't know, I speak from my own experience, but right now I'm going to pay about half as much for better insurance because of this. What am I missing?
    Maybe the fact that someone else is going to subsidize that cost to you? You think it is the responsibility of someone else to fund your healthcare insurance?

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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Health care is a right, not a privilege.
    Healthcare is a service provided by the labor and resources of others. What makes you think you have a right to make others provide you service?

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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What if we're right?
    What if the greatest country in the world can do universal healthcare better and cheaper than everybody else?
    What if your system is based on violating the rights of people?

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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What if your system is based on violating the rights of people?
    The right not to have health care? That's a new one.

    Here's a concept: if you don't want universal health care, don't use it. Just stay home when you get deathly ill. Or travel to Somalia. They have the system you want.

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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The right not to have health care? That's a new one.

    Here's a concept: if you don't want universal health care, don't use it. Just stay home when you get deathly ill. Or travel to Somalia. They have the system you want.
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Why did they lose their health insurance? Do you mean that now they have to get better insurance, and since they're middle of the road people, they qualify for subsidies? I don't know, I speak from my own experience, but right now I'm going to pay about half as much for better insurance because of this. What am I missing?
    They lost their insurance because Obamadon'tcare forced the price up that his employer had to pay to continue his insurance. A sound business decision on his employers part I might add based on the added expense the government has placed on the employer. Plus maybe he will be lucky and get to keep his job at least a little longer, unlike so many others that Obamadon'tcare has placed in the out of work line. It's been happening all around the country but of course, the deniers don't know anything about it. Better insurance? Get real. If it's not affordable in both monthly expenditures and what his out of pocket expenses would be, it's impossible to be better than what his employer provided to him. Besides, it's also impossible to be better insurance if the government has to foot part of the tab to get people to buy it. They have inflated the price by requiring people to purchase non needed coverage. Not a good deal for most anybody, taxpayers included.
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    We have had a "free market" WITHIN STATES for decades, the premise you hold to SO TIGHTLY.....and it has NOT produced cheaper care, greater coverage or better outcomes for consumers. It does not produce competition within states and certainly will not if expanded since nearly all consumption is local, without knowledge of prices. Beyond this, the concept of profiting from human misery and affliction is immoral.
    What state would a "free market" for health insurance be? I'm not aware of one as wishful thinkers have caused the price of insurance to increase by the legislative process for years. They always seem to think they know better than the customer.

    I love this line, LOL. "Beyond this, the concept of profiting from human misery and affliction is immoral." Yep. There is no misery in third world countries that offer little profit for anyone. LOL. Nothing but the finest of care. LOL.
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Just thought of something about this hack article in the OP written by a former Romney advisor whose quoting anonymous insurance industry guys...

    How the hell would they know how many signed up for the exchange?

    Here's predominantly why... signing up for the exchange doesn't sign you up for insurance from an insurance company. It's like a mall with stores... just because you stepped into the mall (signing up for the exchange) doesn't mean you bought insurance already. Signing you up means you just stepped through the mall's door and NOW you can shop these different insurance companies.

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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Healthcare is a service provided by the labor and resources of others. What makes you think you have a right to make others provide you service?
    The right to health means that governments must generate conditions in which everyone can be as healthy as possible. Such conditions range from ensuring availability of health services, healthy and safe working conditions, adequate housing and nutritious food. The right to health does not mean the right to be healthy.

    The right to health has been enshrined in international and regional human rights treaties as well as national constitutions all over the world.

    Examples of UN human rights treaties:

    International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), 1966;
    Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW), 1979;
    Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), 1989.
    Examples of regional human rights treaties:

    European Social Charter, 1961;
    African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights, 1981; Additional Protocol to the American Convention on Human Rights in the Area of Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (the Protocol of San Salvador), 1988.
    The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1966) in Article 12 states that steps for the realization of the right to health include those that:

    reduce infant mortality and ensure the healthy development of the child;
    improve environmental and industrial hygiene;
    prevent, treat and control epidemic, endemic, occupational and other diseases; and
    create conditions to ensure access to health care for all.
    General Comment on the Right to Health

    To clarify and operationalize the above provisions, the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, which monitors compliance with the ICESCR, adopted a General Comment on the Right to Health in 2000.

    The General Comment states that the right to health extends not only to timely and appropriate health care but also to the underlying determinants of health, such as access to safe and potable water and adequate sanitation, an adequate supply of safe food, nutrition and housing, healthy occupational and environmental conditions, and access to health-related education and information, including on sexual and reproductive health.

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