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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    If they end up with $100k in medical bills following an auto accident the $6,350 maximum out of pocket for an insurance plan combined with whatever they had to pay for the insurance might cause the individual to go bankrupt all the same, that's true. But at least the hospital doesn't end up with $95k in noncollectable bills - the insurance pays it. Which means the hospital has less expenses to spread out among the rest of us and doesn't need to raise rates as much to cover the non-payers.
    The hospital would have billed them for far less than the 100k, probably more in the 30-40k range, due to the lack of insurance, and if the uninsured couldn't pay, the would most likely apply the grant money and trust funds at their disposal to cover treating the underprivileged. In the end, the hospital probably has a charity write off of a few thousand dollars.

    Last year, one of the big hospitals here in Cleveland, Ohio provided free hospital care to the tune of $143 million.

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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

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    The Senate refused to defund/delay the AHC act you mean. They passed the CR and it is sitting back in the House at this moment but Boner won't allow it to come to a vote.
    Because regular order is to come to conference on it. Reid won't even appoint conferees to do this...The Senate doesn't get to tell the house what to do with spending. The house is responsible for it, and they have the say in what is put forward. It seems that demo's want to run the show like dictators.
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post


    Even funnier is that the Out of Pocket for the SILVER plan is about $12k which means that this plan won't even save the poor from medical bill induced bankruptcy. The Bronze plan, which is all the poor will be able to afford, is even worse.
    That was just another of the boatload of lies told to get some idiots to support this disaster. Some poor dude having to fork over a monthly premium isn't going to have a stash of cash to pay out of pocket expenses. He probably would have been better off the old way by negotiating a cash price than faced with those out of pocket expenses and not had the monthly expense. At least much of the time.

    But the majority of people that won't be getting medicade on the taxpayers dime won't be signing up for these plans anyway. They are not stupid, they know they have to eat everyday whereas they may not need healthcare anyway. So they will use the old way if required, getting treatment on the taxpayers dime and worry about some bill they can't pay later. Meanwhile the taxpayers will have wasted billions setting up this disaster plus get stuck with some of the bill plus have their insurance rates go up because of the same disaster.

    This disaster was planed with complete failure as an easily achieved goal. Then the liberals will claim there is no choice but a single payer and then they can attempt to control cost via the death panels and other health care rationing.
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    There is a solution to this....

    SAN DIEGO -- Concierge doctors are spreading the word that it's possible to operate a direct primary care practice, make a living, and avoid one of the biggest headaches for family medicine physicians -- dealing with health insurance companies.

    Multiple sessions at the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) scientific assembly informed attendees about the growing world of direct primary care, sometimes called concierge, boutique, or retainer-based medicine. These practices charge patients a monthly or annual membership fee for unlimited office access, and bill patients for the tests and supplies they use.

    When Doug Nunamaker, MD, and Josh Umbehr, MD, ended their 45-minute AAFP talk about their direct primary practice in Wichita, Kan., the two had barely walked off stage when they were besieged by a couple dozen doctors wanting more information.

    Nunamaker and Umbehr opened Atlas MD, a direct primary care practice, in 2009 shortly after Umbehr left residency. They charge $50 a month in membership fees for adults ages 20 to 44, with fees ranging from $10 to $100 a month for pediatric and older patients.

    They describe their payment structure on the Atlas MD website as a "direct fee-for-services arrangement [that] frees us from the typical contractual agreements that prevent physicians from offering wholesale prices on laboratory tests, imaging, and medications."

    The practice quickly grew to about 600 patients in the first couple of years, with a monthly revenue of $30,000 in membership fees. The only marketing has been word of mouth.

    They said patients loved the open access to their physicians. Patients are encouraged to email, call, or text their doctors with questions. The office has no office staff, and the physicians answer the phones, which they said "freaks out" patients at times.

    Nunamaker and Umbehr said they loved not having to deal with insurance payers for such issues as prior authorizations or rejected claims.

    The practice has added three physicians along with one full-time nurse and one part-time nurse. They said they now count 1,300 patients in their practice for $65,000 in monthly revenue from membership fees.

    Concierge Medicine Gains Ground
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    WWII wasn't won in 4 days either.
    Is it safe to say that WWII was less complex and had fewer moving parts than the ACA?

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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    Is it safe to say that WWII was less complex and had fewer moving parts than the ACA?
    My dad used to say, 'the only reason to make something complicated, is to hide the less attractive aspects within.'

    Now considering that, a bill that is 2800 pages, and carries along with it, some 20,000 pages of new regulations, must really be some horrible stuff hidden in there.
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    I totally know that I am putting a red cape in front of you Obamabot liberal bulls out there but this actually nails it. Yes, I know it comes from Fox News thus is to be ignored by Obamabots however the logic, common sense, and facts in this cannot be ignored. The reality is Obamabots don't really care as they will support Obama as he leads them over the cliff. Rather sad that we have people like that who don't think and simply buy what they are told. Read the comments and rather than attack the messenger respond to the message.

    Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday

    Mr. President, Fox News isn't what's making Americans sick about your healthcare law. Your healthcare law is. Welcome, everybody, I'm Neil Cavuto. And excuse this departure from form. But I think this is just poor form. So, it's time we set some things straight.

    Mr. President, we at Fox News are not the problem. I hate to break it to you, sir. You are. Your words are. Your promises are. We didn't sell this healthcare law. Sir, you did. Remember this?

    President Barack Obama: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.

    Mr. President, tell that to tens of thousands of retirees at IBM and Time Warner and dozens of others, who've been dumped from their coverage and told to find their own coverage. Fox News didn't break that news to them, Mr. President. Their companies did.

    Fox News didn't push more of those firms to hire part-time workers. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't incentivize fast food restaurants to scale back their benefits. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make doctors want to opt out. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make insurance premiums skyrocket. Your healthcare law did. Just like Fox News didn't grant hundreds of exemptions to companies that needed them. You did. And Fox News didn't delay one key provision after another, including online enrollment for those small business exchanges. You did.

    Just like it wasn't Fox News that said we had to pass this to see what was in this. You did. Or was that Nancy Pelosi? Sometimes I'm confused. But of this I am not. Fox News didn't re-do basic math. Sir, you did. Fox News didn't say you can cover 30 million more Americans and not see a hit in premiums. You did. Fox News didn't say you could throw in those with pre-existing conditions and not have to pay for it. You did. Fox News didn't all but say you could get something for nothing. You did. Fox News didn't come back years later and say, oh yea, we did raise some taxes. You did.

    Here's where you are right about Fox News, however, Mr. President. We can do math. And did. You cannot. And did not. We said it, and proved it. You didn't. And we're all suffering for it. Take it from the numbers guy at Fox. Numbers don't lie. The number of Americans working part-time and nervous. The number of retirees days away from being dumped on exchanges and anxious. The number of company bosses with any news to pass along on those exchanges, but still clueless. The number of doctors who want out. The number of congressmen now opting out. No, Mr. President, none of those numbers lie.

    But with all due respect sir, I can only conclude you do know; I know, I know you hate us at Fox. But please take a look in a mirror, and fast. You think we're the skunk at your picnic. But that doesn't mean we're the ones that stink. Because that smell isn't coming from the folks reporting on your law. Mr. President, that smell is your law.

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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I totally know that I am putting a red cape in front of you Obamabot liberal bulls out there but this actually nails it. Yes, I know it comes from Fox News thus is to be ignored by Obamabots however the logic, common sense, and facts in this cannot be ignored. The reality is Obamabots don't really care as they will support Obama as he leads them over the cliff. Rather sad that we have people like that who don't think and simply buy what they are told. Read the comments and rather than attack the messenger respond to the message.

    Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday
    Boom! Cavuto scored a center mass hit. Thanks for posting.
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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I totally know that I am putting a red cape in front of you Obamabot liberal bulls out there but this actually nails it. Yes, I know it comes from Fox News thus is to be ignored by Obamabots however the logic, common sense, and facts in this cannot be ignored. The reality is Obamabots don't really care as they will support Obama as he leads them over the cliff. Rather sad that we have people like that who don't think and simply buy what they are told. Read the comments and rather than attack the messenger respond to the message.

    Neil Cavuto, Fox News, stated the following directly to President Obama on his daily afternoon program last Thursday
    Neil Cavuto is full of crap, the Fox News Channel have done everything they could do to demonize Obamacare. You know it, and I know it. I could pull a bunch of Media Matters posts to prove it, but it not worth my time. BTW, that comment he mentions about Pelosi passing the bill? What she meant by that comment was that there were so many amendments coming from the Republicans that it was impossible to know what was exactly in it until the House passed it.


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    Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Neil Cavuto is full of crap, the Fox News Channel have done everything they could do to demonize Obamacare. You know it, and I know it. I could pull a bunch of Media Matters posts to prove it, but it not worth my time. BTW, that comment he mentions about Pelosi passing the bill? What she meant by that comment was that there were so many amendments coming from the Republicans that it was impossible to know what was exactly in it until the House passed it.
    Got it, again attacking the messenger is what you always do while ignoring the message. You and the other Obamabots better wake up to what is happening to this country. You want badly to believe liberalism in spite of all the failures and that speaks volumes for your own failures. Tell me exactly what Cavuto said that was inaccurate? As for Pelosi you are speculating on what she meant by her statement but always give her the benefit of doubt. Cavuto is right on, doctors are dropping patients, healthcare companies are dropping the insured, costs are skyrocketing, businesses are dropping employees, people are losing hours and yet you continue to beat the drum for this empty suit. the question is why?

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