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Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

Yes, marching in lock-step IS a requirement of any Conservative organization. IF the Republicans want to regain Conservative voters they need to start weeding out the Moderates and RINOs.

When your voters sent you there to do something specific and you ignore it, then YES it is a Capitol Offense.

lol...

You already have all the conservatives pretty much so therefore you need independents. And your grand idea is to cut independents out of the equation?

THAT's how you intend the GOP to grow their party?

btw... that is sig worthy.
 
Any Republican signing onto this should be thrown out of the party just before their constituents draw and isquarter them.

Which Republican?

TP Republicans seem to despise "regular" Republicans.

"Regular" Republicans seem to lack some respect for TP Republicans, but just go along with them for fear of being "primaried" or blackmailed or extorted in some fashion.

So what you have left is a group of Republicans willing to defy the TP. Ummm, should they not have a voice?

The Tea Party is quickly becoming the reason that Republicans will lose not only more seats but the ability to be elected POTUS.




TP = Tea Party, not toilet paper.
 
lol...

You already have all the conservatives pretty much so therefore you need independents. And your grand idea is to cut independents out of the equation?

THAT's how you intend the GOP to grow their party?.

No. That's how I intend the GOP to return to being a meaningful organization. It's not about growing the party. It's about purifying it.
 
No. That's how I intend the GOP to return to being a meaningful organization. It's not about growing the party. It's about purifying it.

Purifying it = shrinking it
shrinking it = reducing political influence
reducing political influence = wtf do you want to be in politics?
 
Yes, marching in lock-step IS a requirement of any Conservative organization. IF the Republicans want to regain Conservative voters they need to start weeding out the Moderates and RINOs.

When your voters sent you there to do something specific and you ignore it, then YES it is a Capitol Offense.

Sieg Heil comes to mind.
 
Which Republican?

TP Republicans seem to despise "regular" Republicans.

"Regular" Republicans seem to lack some respect for TP Republicans, but just go along with them for fear of being "primaried" or blackmailed or extorted in some fashion.

So what you have left is a group of Republicans willing to defy the TP. Ummm, should they not have a voice?

The Tea Party is quickly becoming the reason that Republicans will lose not only more seats but the ability to be elected POTUS.

No non-Conservative Republican should even be allowed in the party, never mind given a voice or a vote. Winning elections is a secondary need compared to maintaining a morally pure and principled organization. Besides, lose enough seats and maybe true Americans will be move to the action we truly need.... Blood in the streets.
 
Purifying it = shrinking it
shrinking it = reducing political influence
reducing political influence = wtf do you want to be in politics?

To see if people are truly worthy of what thus country offers them or if it's time, once again, to tear this country down and start again from scratch.
 
To see if people are truly worthy of what thus country offers them or if it's time, once again, to tear this country down and start again from scratch.

That my friend, is the purified definition of extremism.
 
No non-Conservative Republican should even be allowed in the party, never mind given a voice or a vote. Winning elections is a secondary need compared to maintaining a morally pure and principled organization. Besides, lose enough seats and maybe true Americans will be move to the action we truly need.... Blood in the streets.

So let the Tea Party form their own party. I am on board with that decision. Thumbs up.
 
This thread, like so many on this forum, is just one facepalm after another. What is wrong with the conservatives on this forum? It seems 90% of you should be in a mental hospital or at a bare minimum receive outpatient counseling.

I think this forum might be pretty decent if the bottom 40% of conservatives went on vacation and the other 60% came out of the woodwork, free to express normal, rational opinions. Unfortunately instead we get post after post that resembles the unabomber manifesto, the "real" americans.
 
No non-Conservative Republican should even be allowed in the party, never mind given a voice or a vote. Winning elections is a secondary need compared to maintaining a morally pure and principled organization. Besides, lose enough seats and maybe true Americans will be move to the action we truly need.... Blood in the streets.

Precisely why I left the Republican party. You think that making the tent smaller and smaller when demographics are against you makes sense? Too many phonies bellowing about their "morality." As for "Blood in the streets" if you want that...go live in Sudan, we don't need hyperbolic statements like that in the first world.
 
Good Afternoon,

While the prospects of revolution are being contemplated over lunch, I offer up my one of my infrequent opinions.

Would it not be much more desired if the government were open irregardless of who 'won' most? I understand well the value of principle, but the threat to the well-being of others ought to shift the focus from partisanship to figuring out how to fix our broken government. Both sides have equal interest in keeping the government funded. It is because of this that I am having trouble understanding why members of Congress feel they have to get something for doing their most basic job of doing a budget. No one is entitled to win anything out of this whole mess. It is reckless to suggest so. What we have is a minority within a party holding up the legislative process, simply because they cant get their way. They claim to represent the majority of Americans who are encouraging them to play with fire near the curtains. They don't represent me, or for that matter most others, and they are willing to set fire to the house, to slate the tinfoil wearing hoopies that elect them.

Games are best left to those who will play fair. Nothing about the past week has been fair. Fire your representatives.
 
It's a debatable point.

The ACA as it stood in passed in the senate would not pass in the house as it was constituted at the time. The way that the house wanted to pass it wouldn't pass muster in the Senate after Kennedy's seat was replaced with Scott Brown.

So a deal was struck in the House to pass the ACA, with essentially a verbal agreement that a separate bill amending ACA with all the issues the House needed to get people on board would be passed by the Senate utilizing reconciliation.

Thus, they basically piece mailed the final bill into two separate parts singularly due to the technicality of being able to use the reconciliation process on one part of it.

Completely legal and reasonable to do by congressional rules...JUST like what the Republicans are doing right now...but at the very least debatable in it's application and outside the norm...JUST like what the Republicans are doing right now.

You failed to mention the GOP's use of reconciliation during the Bush years to pass otherwise unpassable bills. Amnesia or misinformed?

See:
2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]
 
Yes, marching in lock-step IS a requirement of any Conservative organization. IF the Republicans want to regain Conservative voters they need to start weeding out the Moderates and RINOs.

When your voters sent you there to do something specific and you ignore it, then YES it is a Capitol Offense.

Are you sure you live in the United States?
 
You think me to be that much of a Democratic Party Partisan huh?

Or are you putting me in as saying that to Deezad?

That second one.

I was saying that I agreed with your statement to the poster you responded to, and your statement with the parties swapped was equally applicable to deezad
 
That my friend, is the purified definition of extremism.

Yep, that's tigger for you. There's people on this forum on the left, there's people on the right, and then there's people like tigger that both sides by and large tend to look at and just shake their heads. To tigers credit, he does own his beliefs regardless how pretty much everyone views them.
 
That second one.

I was saying that I agreed with your statement to the poster you responded to, and your statement with the parties swapped was equally applicable to deezad

I misread. My bad. Yeah I think it applies anywheres you find a partisan.
 
Yep, that's tigger for you. There's people on this forum on the left, there's people on the right, and then there's people like tigger that both sides by and large tend to look at and just shake their heads. To tigers credit, he does own his beliefs regardless how pretty much everyone views them.

That's how I read him too.
 
So let the Tea Party form their own party. I am on board with that decision. Thumbs up.

No, it's easier to infiltrate an existing party and bend it to the ideology that you pursue. That's what the far left did to the Democrats and it worked wonderfully well for them.
 
Yep, that's tigger for you. There's people on this forum on the left, there's people on the right, and then there's people like tigger that both sides by and large tend to look at and just shake their heads. To tigers credit, he does own his beliefs regardless how pretty much everyone views them.

And he will readily admit to those beliefs. He doesn't try to hide.
 
My problem with the this whole thing is if the GOP succeeds here the precedent set can be catastrophic. Imagine anytime a party gets control of the House all they will have to do is decide to defund any law they don't like.


... You do realize that wouldn't be a precedent, right?
 
Because party membership means marching in lock-step, and angering your voters is a capital offense?

How many Democrats are on board with defunding the ACA?
 
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