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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    That is because they will be taken out in primaries. As they should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Getting Republicans to dissent is far more difficult than their Democratic counterparts, but there are a couple dozen moderates who are getting raked over the coals in their own centrist districts. That being said, the House Democrats would still have to offer them "something" that could convince skeptics at least in their own districts that their dissent was worth undermining GOP solidarity, and the Senate and Obama would have to approve that deal.

    ... it could establish a healthy precedent if Republicans as well as Democrats could collude with each other against their own parties.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which trick do you think allowed the passage of the ACA?
    Parliamentary procedure called reconciliation that is reserved for budget bills. Tell me you knew...

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which trick do you think allowed the passage of the ACA?
    It's a debatable point.

    The ACA as it stood in passed in the senate would not pass in the house as it was constituted at the time. The way that the house wanted to pass it wouldn't pass muster in the Senate after Kennedy's seat was replaced with Scott Brown.

    So a deal was struck in the House to pass the ACA, with essentially a verbal agreement that a separate bill amending ACA with all the issues the House needed to get people on board would be passed by the Senate utilizing reconciliation.

    Thus, they basically piece mailed the final bill into two separate parts singularly due to the technicality of being able to use the reconciliation process on one part of it.

    Completely legal and reasonable to do by congressional rules...JUST like what the Republicans are doing right now...but at the very least debatable in it's application and outside the norm...JUST like what the Republicans are doing right now.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    No they are not. You just disagree. You need to learn how to disagree without straw-manning up a demon.



    If you've bought into any notion that society is worse now than before, you have bought into a lie. The kind of lie that uses fear as a way to call for obedience in it's followers. Yesterday wasn't better than today.



    I see, you believe you are superior. Perhaps I was wrong about you?


    Well, I have little more to tell you. I am superior by the way, as a thinker, to people who fantasize away an unsupportable debt and a belief that the Productive will willingly support the Indolents in perpetuity. In such company superiority of mind is an unchallenging goal indeed. Surely you can agree with this?

    What exactly do you see Society as? I note with some distaste that most Leftists confuse and conflate "Society" with "Government."

    By the way, I don't see the Left as a demon. According to the popular image, demons stood up to Authority, were willing to rebel against said Authority to further their ideals, are noted for individuality, and know full well when they are presenting a load of false promises and lies to the gullible.
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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Ah, the reverso-meme. Only in teapartybizarroworld is forcing the House to actually vote a "trick".

    Boehner has used procedural tricks to keep a clean CR from a floor vote. I hope the Democrats can circumvent that trickery and force the GOP cowards to go on record.
    You mean using procedural rules, right? Different than using a rule for budgets to pass the ACA...

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Well, I have little more to tell you. I am superior by the way, as a thinker, to people who fantasize away an unsupportable debt and a belief that the Productive will willingly support the Indolents in perpetuity. In such company superiority of mind is an unchallenging goal indeed. Surely you can agree with this?

    What exactly do you see Society as? I note with some distaste that most Leftists confuse and conflate "Society" with "Government."

    By the way, I don't see the Left as a demon. According to the popular image, demons stood up to Authority, were willing to rebel against said Authority to further their ideals, are noted for individuality, and know full well when they are presenting a load of false promises and lies to the gullible.
    Yeah, well that's what I thought. I guess I was wrong. My bad.

    You may continue with your superiority complex supported by... "Libruls bad herp derp."
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah, well that's what I thought. I guess I was wrong. My bad.

    You may continue with your superiority complex supported by... "Libruls bad herp derp."
    You see? You are offered several channels for rational conversation, deeper consideration of the issues, and their underpinning philosophies, and instead of taking the minimal effort required to rise to the tiny challenge, you circle back to an earlier, unsophisticated, vapid statement.

    Progress is not measured in receptions of a circular path, you know.

    Carry on.
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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak00 View Post
    Just like they resorted to a "trick" to pass ACA and want to rely on a "trick" the to have the President raise the debt ceiling himself, I guess the Democrats will use a "trick" to get their way. Pathetic, but that's how they operate...
    Forcing an up or down vote is a 'trick'? I would have thought that sane people would have thought being able to shut down the government at all was the biggest trick of all, but I guess up is down in today's world.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Republicans are still trying to nullify laws enacted in past Congresses without actually nulluifying them.
    Just as Repubs like Birther Cruz's Father continue to try to delegitimize the President by calling him a Muslim.
    Repubs are losing the debate and now want to "negotiate" over "laws".
    We have heard them say what is coming next, SS, Medicare, Medicaid and
    every other social program that Paul Ryan once benefitted from but now wants to kill.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Right. Because voting to repeal the PPACA 42 times? Kosher. Fighting it to the Supreme Court? Awesome. Holding up the the entire Federal budget and risk a potential economic crisis? It's the American way! Utilizing an obscure procedural rule to bring the bill to a vote in the House? OMG IT'S GAY HITLER TRICKERY!!!
    Way to put your ignorance on display...props.

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