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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    The Constitution and Separation of Powers means nothing to Obama and his legion of Obots
    Oh, the irony of hearing this from a tea partier.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Probably. Most things the Democrats do are properly categorized as a discharge.

    I assume that they'll figure out some obscure way to get their way in the end. That helps nail the inevitable disastrous results to them though. If the electorate begins to think while there effectively remains such a thing it will go badly for Reid's Party.
    Whoosh, right over your head. The Discharge will only work if some House Republicans sign the petition for it. They might, because it's essentially an exit strategy for them which the Democrats are providing. Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if the less irrational Republicans in the House suggested it.

    In any case, Americans want a vote on a CR in the House. Boehner is preventing that using procedural tricks because he a craven shill of the tea party. But this my circumvent his spinelessness.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Whoosh, right over your head. The Discharge will only work if some House Republicans sign the petition for it. They might, because it's essentially an exit strategy for them which the Democrats are providing. Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if the less irrational Republicans in the House suggested it.

    In any case, Americans want a vote on a CR in the House. Boehner is preventing that using procedural tricks because he a craven shill of the tea party. But this my circumvent his spinelessness.
    Who are these "Americans" of whom you speak, and when did they become unanimous in their opinions?
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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    The irony (one of many) of conservatives getting worked up about the discharge bill is that one of the few times it was successful was in 1985 when the NRA campaigned to pass the bill in the House via discharge petition to loosen gun control. The conservatives didn't think it was a "trick" when they used it back then. But now, when the Democrats want to use it, it's a trick.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    that didn't take long to go from policy discussion to "libruls bad... herp derp."
    That's because the mental and political climate that makes Modern Liberalism possible in large numbers supposedly rational adults is the fundamental reason that so many of our public policies are childish fantasies.

    You see?
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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    That's because the mental and political climate that makes Modern Liberalism possible in large numbers supposedly rational adults is the fundamental reason that so many of our public policies are childish fantasies.

    You see?
    There is a place for conservatives and there is a place for liberals in this country and in our government. When you post stuff like this you come off as one of those drones who think one side is Jesus and the other is Satan. I promise you, you are smarter than this.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Wow, this little turn has the cons in full meltdown insult mode. If Obamacare is not the end of the world and the dems spank the budget through that would be really bad for the reps. The reps probably do not want the dems to be the ones to start the government back up because it would really put a bad light on their claims they want the government running when they cry and whine about the democrats getting it running.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    There is a place for conservatives and there is a place for liberals in this country and in our government. When you post stuff like this you come off as one of those drones who think one side is Jesus and the other is Satan. I promise you, you are smarter than this.
    In a republic, if it is to remain a republic, there is little room for rampant foolishness in the electorate. Modern Liberal policies and philosophies are based in fantasies detached from Reality. I am smarter than to be drawn into a dreamworld and attempt to apply its principles to governing a nation.

    To deny this is to serve no one's best interests. Liberty is a vanishingly rare condition in human affairs, and unlikely to ever be reestablished in a technologically advanced age if it is lost.

    Someone really ought to point these things out, if for no other reason than to experience the elegant beauty of poignancy.
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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    In a republic, if it is to remain a republic, there is little room for rampant foolishness in the electorate. Modern Liberal policies and philosophies are based in fantasies detached from Reality.
    No they are not. You just disagree. You need to learn how to disagree without straw-manning up a demon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    I am smarter than to be drawn into a dreamworld and attempt to apply its principles to governing a nation.

    To deny this is to serve no one's best interests. Liberty is a vanishingly rare condition in human affairs, and unlikely to ever be reestablished in a technologically advanced age if it is lost.
    If you've bought into any notion that society is worse now than before, you have bought into a lie. The kind of lie that uses fear as a way to call for obedience in it's followers. Yesterday wasn't better than today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold
    Someone really ought to point these things out, if for no other reason than to experience the elegant beauty of poignancy.
    I see, you believe you are superior. Perhaps I was wrong about you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak00 View Post
    Just like they resorted to a "trick" to pass ACA and want to rely on a "trick" the to have the President raise the debt ceiling himself, I guess the Democrats will use a "trick" to get their way. Pathetic, but that's how they operate...
    Right. Because voting to repeal the PPACA 42 times? Kosher. Fighting it to the Supreme Court? Awesome. Holding up the the entire Federal budget and risk a potential economic crisis? It's the American way! Utilizing an obscure procedural rule to bring the bill to a vote in the House? OMG IT'S GAY HITLER TRICKERY!!!

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