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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's a debatable point.

    The ACA as it stood in passed in the senate would not pass in the house as it was constituted at the time. The way that the house wanted to pass it wouldn't pass muster in the Senate after Kennedy's seat was replaced with Scott Brown.

    So a deal was struck in the House to pass the ACA, with essentially a verbal agreement that a separate bill amending ACA with all the issues the House needed to get people on board would be passed by the Senate utilizing reconciliation.

    Thus, they basically piece mailed the final bill into two separate parts singularly due to the technicality of being able to use the reconciliation process on one part of it.

    Completely legal and reasonable to do by congressional rules...JUST like what the Republicans are doing right now...but at the very least debatable in it's application and outside the norm...JUST like what the Republicans are doing right now.
    You failed to mention the GOP's use of reconciliation during the Bush years to pass otherwise unpassable bills. Amnesia or misinformed?

    See:
    2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
    2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
    Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
    The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes, marching in lock-step IS a requirement of any Conservative organization. IF the Republicans want to regain Conservative voters they need to start weeding out the Moderates and RINOs.

    When your voters sent you there to do something specific and you ignore it, then YES it is a Capitol Offense.
    Are you sure you live in the United States?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You think me to be that much of a Democratic Party Partisan huh?

    Or are you putting me in as saying that to Deezad?
    That second one.

    I was saying that I agreed with your statement to the poster you responded to, and your statement with the parties swapped was equally applicable to deezad

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    Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    That my friend, is the purified definition of extremism.
    Yep, that's tigger for you. There's people on this forum on the left, there's people on the right, and then there's people like tigger that both sides by and large tend to look at and just shake their heads. To tigers credit, he does own his beliefs regardless how pretty much everyone views them.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That second one.

    I was saying that I agreed with your statement to the poster you responded to, and your statement with the parties swapped was equally applicable to deezad
    I misread. My bad. Yeah I think it applies anywheres you find a partisan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, that's tigger for you. There's people on this forum on the left, there's people on the right, and then there's people like tigger that both sides by and large tend to look at and just shake their heads. To tigers credit, he does own his beliefs regardless how pretty much everyone views them.
    That's how I read him too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So let the Tea Party form their own party. I am on board with that decision. Thumbs up.
    No, it's easier to infiltrate an existing party and bend it to the ideology that you pursue. That's what the far left did to the Democrats and it worked wonderfully well for them.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, that's tigger for you. There's people on this forum on the left, there's people on the right, and then there's people like tigger that both sides by and large tend to look at and just shake their heads. To tigers credit, he does own his beliefs regardless how pretty much everyone views them.
    And he will readily admit to those beliefs. He doesn't try to hide.

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    My problem with the this whole thing is if the GOP succeeds here the precedent set can be catastrophic. Imagine anytime a party gets control of the House all they will have to do is decide to defund any law they don't like.

    ... You do realize that wouldn't be a precedent, right?

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    Re: Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Because party membership means marching in lock-step, and angering your voters is a capital offense?
    How many Democrats are on board with defunding the ACA?

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