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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    My personal opinion on gay marriage is moot - I'm telling yall what the constitution says and the constitution say absolutely nothing about marriage between a woman and woman man and man or man and woman.... DOMA was the closest think and that was Bill Clinton's idea...

    Sorry to explain to you that are possibly inept but there are 2) ways to legitimize gay marriage 1) would be to amend the constitution or 2) embrace the Tenth Amendment and allow states to decide...

    My moral personal and ethical position on the issue is useless....

    All I'm telling you "gay rights" fanatics is that "gay rights" is an epic exaggeration when your entire boggle boils down to a Tenth Amendment issue based on marriage and marriage alone.
    You're not really answering any questions - why is this? Should the state have the right to discriminate against interracial marriage? Yes or no? There is nothing in the constitution about it. So is it a yes? Or a no?
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    The best part about this whole debate is the fact I hold the Bill of Rights and Constitution to a lesser extent in high regard..

    My opinion on gays is moot....Mostly because I really don't have one.

    I don have an opinion and respect for the founding documents tho...

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    From your learned understanding, is the USA secular or not?
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your not answering me,................. should government use morality in decision/law making?

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The best part about this whole debate is the fact I hold the Bill of Rights and Constitution to a lesser extent in high regard..
    The bill of rights and constitution say nothing about interracial marriage. Should blacks and whites be allowed to married? Yes or no?
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Subjective morality? Of course the state should not use subjective morality. Do have an agreement that killing people is socially harmful? Yes. Regardless of religion or even creed - most people - with the exception of sociopaths and the mentally ill - are born with the knowledge that killing is inherently wrong. Do we have an agreement that gay relationships are wrong? Obviously we don't - most people who say it's wrong have no actual argument for why it's wrong other than their deity tells them so through a third party. So - why exactly should it be discriminated against? Does it present a problem legally? No. The same laws which apply for heterosexuality would apply for homosexual marriages. That leaves us this litmus test of questions:

    Does it present a danger socially?

    Is anyone physically harmed by gay marriages? No. Well, only whomever is getting it up the ass. That must be painful. Yet no reason to ban gay sex anymore than straight sex.

    Is anyone legally harmed by gay marriages? No. Well, depends - usually the husband gets ****ed on the straight divorce. But gays don't have that problem.

    Is anyone emotionally harmed by gay marriages? No. Well, only if your spouse cheats.

    So with all joking aside, and seriousness on point - gay marriage does not present a danger to anybody but the people involved in the marriage. That's not a reason to discriminate against their unions.
    if you use force to take life, liberty, of property, your committing a crime, we all agree government is here to secure those rights, so it is not taking a moral position on those, its fulfilling it primary duty of its existence...to secure rights of the people.

    but government is not a morality authority at all, it has not been given a power to decide whether marriage between two people is right or wrong, therefore it has not power to promote nor deny such a thing.

    government has no authority in marriage or sexuality, those who wish to use government as a force to stop SSM and those who use SSM as a way of using government to promote through laws/polices it as normal behavior are both wrong.

    government should be completely out of marriage and anything of a sexual behavior.
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're not really answering any questions - why is this? Should the state have the right to discriminate against interracial marriage? Yes or no? There is nothing in the constitution about it. So is it a yes? Or a no?
    As a libertarian my personal opinion on the issue is not needed...

    I'm merely pointing out "why" gay marriage is not accepted federally and why some states allow the idea and others don't...

    For the last time I'm going to tell you that heterosexual "marriage" isn't even legal - it's status quo.

    Once again this has absolutely nothing to do with "gay rights" - this is adequate to "no fair" not discrimination or "gay rights."

    Seems you're too big of an advocate to even consider, rationalize or even acknowledge what I'm telling you.

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    From your learned understanding, is the USA secular or not?
    the u.s. government was meant to be secular, but not the states, because states had state religions.

    the bill of rights did not apply to states until after the civil war, states were able to make religious laws,

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    As a libertarian my personal opinion on the issue is not needed...
    So wait, your personal opinion on interracial marriage is not needed - but your personal opinion on gay marriage is?
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The bill of rights and constitution say nothing about interracial marriage. Should blacks and whites be allowed to married? Yes or no?
    You're right - the Bill of Rights mentions nothing at all about marriage...

    This is why I don't make an issue about marriage when it comes to civil liberties...

    The Bill of Rights are individual rights NOT collective rights - to elaborate further the Bill of rights LIMITS the government, they were not civil liberties granted to the people by the government for the people but rights manifested by the people for the people...

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Oh yeah but you're still stuck on "gay rights" as if gays are being systematically discriminated against...
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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