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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because we aren't

    As I understand it, the laws regarding incest are in place because there is a much higher chance of birth defects and the like in such cases.

    That has been a known fact since looooooooooong before DNA tests.
    I think you are missing my point here. If we are so worried about the risk of defects out of incestuous couplings that we are willing to ban those couplings, why are we not worried about banning non-incestuous couplings where the risk of defects are equal or higher to that of the incestuous couplings? If we are not willing to ban the higher birth defects risk couplings as well, then there is no real truth behind the idea that incest is banned due to birth defect risk.

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    If children weren't taught that incest was wrong, they wouldn't know it. It's only through generations of seeing the results that people finally started to catch on and made it taboo. Children aren't born knowing to never have sex with anyone closer than a second cousin.
    Partly true. You are correct that children are not born with any type of incest aversion to any given individual. The aversion develops as one is growing up, but it is not taught. In India where they still have arranged marriages, it is not uncommon for the parents of the bride to send her to live with the parents of the groom until the kids are of legal age to marry. But they are running into a problem in that many of the couples are refusing to consummate the marriage. Because they grew up together, the incest aversion develop between them, even as they were raised to be a couple. Siblings who never grew up together have found themselves attracted to each other even after they have discovered their relationship. No doubt that they have been taught that incest is wrong, yet the attraction continues. Now what they do about it varies, from honouring the taboo, to "violating" it. But both these examples show that the incest taboo is not taught but naturally developed.

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    For medical reasons - not moral reasons. Children born out of cousin marriages have a high incidence of developmental problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Because we aren't

    As I understand it, the laws regarding incest are in place because there is a much higher chance of birth defects and the like in such cases.

    That has been a known fact since looooooooooong before DNA tests.
    Except incest laws apply to homosexual relationships too, of which there is not only a zero chance of birth defects, but births.

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings





    Typical "conservative/republican" ignorance.

    What a douche nozzle.

    So he's saying homosexual = incest


    A true moron in so many ways.
    Spreading Santorum one small bit at a time.

    What is it about Pennsylvania?

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Except incest laws apply to homosexual relationships too, of which there is not only a zero chance of birth defects, but births.
    However, there is still a psychological aversion to such relationships that does develop in most households where the siblings are raised together.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    However, there is still a psychological aversion to such relationships that does develop in most households where the siblings are raised together.
    Are you referring to an "eww" factor?

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Are you referring to an "eww" factor?
    No. A natural psychological aversion that I already posted info on earlier in this thread. It is something that develops in those raised together, even if there isn't any blood relation.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. A natural psychological aversion that I already posted info on earlier in this thread. It is something that develops in those raised together, even if there isn't any blood relation.
    RN, how far back was that?

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    RN, how far back was that?
    Post #218 (I think, I have a horrible shortterm memory), but it is about page 21 or 22 of this thread (for me anyway).
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Post #218 (I think, I have a horrible shortterm memory), but it is about page 21 or 22 of this thread (for me anyway).
    thx. The thread is rather long and didn't want to get stuck having to search for it

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    I'll admit that I get a natural "eww" reaction from homosexuality / incest.

    But it seems wrong to legislate that reaction; if bros/sis want to get married, so be it, same with two of the same gender.

    It's none of our business really. In Germany you can marry animals ...

    (and you reap what you sow, E.G. people should be free to make their choices, and deal with the consequences themselves - not have 'parent' govt. institutions attempt to form their behavior)

    ^ for that reason, homosexuality and incest will NEVER be socially acceptable - the outcome is personal pain / detriment, so natural cycles keep these two sexual desires at bay.

    This is why Russia (atheistic) and the USA (Christendom) are both anti-homosexual / incest - it's not about 'religion' but outcomes of life choices.

    Nobody WANTS to be gay or incestuous ... desire leads to action, action leads to personal detriment -> society sees the detriment and makes it unacceptable.
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