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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    They still kinda risked the health of a child (albeit a future one) by having a kid. Moreso than any other couple, that is.


    That said, at some point in the future I expect that Sci-Fi will become reality, and parents will be able to have doctors scan their kids DNA before birth, then remove any potential problems from the inherited genes.
    Not necessarily. As I've noted before there are other factors that can raise a given non-incestuous couple's risk to above that of an incestuous couple's. This could be due to age, genetic history (non-incestuous), post-birth genetic damage (e.g. from radiation or other causes) and many more. Yet we don't regulate them. Why not?

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

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    Not necessarily. As I've noted before there are other factors that can raise a given non-incestuous couple's risk to above that of an incestuous couple's. This could be due to age, genetic history (non-incestuous), post-birth genetic damage (e.g. from radiation or other causes) and many more. Yet we don't regulate them. Why not?
    Require a DNA scan/comparison looking for possible issue before you're allowed to have a kid?

    Umm...Because this is America, and that would never fly? I hope....
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

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    And what if the child is born with no defects? Should the parents be punished for that even if they are related by blood?
    If a drunk driver doesn't hit anyone, should they still go to jail?

    The threat of risky behavior is harm, even when it's not realized. My idea of a fine is more of a compromise, to discourage the possibility of harm, but not punish mistakes that didn't realize that harm in a draconian fashion. Incest, just like DWI, is harmful, even when you "get away with it".
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

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    Require a DNA scan/comparison looking for possible issue before you're allowed to have a kid?

    Umm...Because this is America, and that would never fly? I hope....
    So if we are not looking for birth defect risks above a certain level why does this fly for blood related couples only?

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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    So if we are not looking for birth defect risks above a certain level why does this fly for blood related couples only?
    Because we aren't

    As I understand it, the laws regarding incest are in place because there is a much higher chance of birth defects and the like in such cases.

    That has been a known fact since looooooooooong before DNA tests.
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

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    You really shouldn't be accusing anyone else of being a shill. The resulting irony could literally rip a hole in the space time continuum.
    You really shouldn't be accusing anybody of anything either. Especially when you have no clue what you're talking about (which is always).


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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's an odd analogy but makes sense from the fact that homosexuality is as abnormal as incest
    If children weren't taught that incest was wrong, they wouldn't know it. It's only through generations of seeing the results that people finally started to catch on and made it taboo. Children aren't born knowing to never have sex with anyone closer than a second cousin.

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    don't give a **** what the rational counter argument is because you view it as a partisan political statement rather than a rational argument.
    But you're not making a rational argument.

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    Gay marriage discriminates against cousins who want incestrial marriage
    That's legal here in Virginia, and in several other states.

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    marriage to pets or inanimate objects etc.
    That's just a stupid argument. Nothing more. Humans aren't the same as lower animals and inanimate objects. Making the comparison is nothing less than ridiculous.

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    The best part is that you actually have the ****ing audacity to believe that those opposed to homosexuality have NO RIGHTS
    No one said that at all. You have the same rights that everyone else does, but no more. You don't have the right to deny Constitutional equal protection to homosexuals. You can sit there and hate them to the depths of your black little heart, but you can't make it law.
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    MARRIAGE IS NOT A RIGHT NOR A CIVIL LIBERTY - is that too difficult to understand?

    I know you wish it was but legally it's NOT...

    Marriage is NOT a legal right... Not even heterosexual marriage - that is a status quo...
    It is. That was determined in Loving. Marriage is a right. You might want to read more and listen to Rush less.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    My personal opinion on gay marriage is moot - I'm telling yall what the constitution says and the constitution say absolutely nothing about marriage between a woman and woman man and man or man and woman.
    Marriage was determined to be a right, and the Constitution guarantees equal protection under the law, so yes, it does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I like who I like and I go with the woman I like regardless of race.... If that was against the law that would be a violation of both my girl and my civil liberties - more specifically the Fist Amendment...
    Then are you saying that people opposed to interracial marriage have no rights? That's what you claim legal gay marriage means.

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    Do people not realize they can cite the Equal Protection Clause in the Fourteenth Amendment as a constitutional means to establish socialism? -- the Clause is that vague!

    The document reads "give me whatever the **** I want or it's discrimination" unless congress shall pass no law...

    WTF...
    No, it doesn't.


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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not a conservative so I just sit back and watch the dung fly..


    I'm hardly a progressive or democrat so I just sit back and watch the rubber fly....
    Of course you're a conservative. Your denial is irrelevant.
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I suppose your information comes from the "Daily Shoe"
    1) I don't watch TV, ever, so I've never seen the Daily Show... though I have heard of it.
    2) I get my information about what you are from your posts. Like I said, your denial is irrelevant.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Pa. gov: Gay marriage is like marriage of siblings

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Are you kidding? Try making a joke about liberals and the refrains of "that's not true" and accusations of being a hack and a troll are inevitible. I don't think I've ever seen one liberal think a joke about liberals was funny and harmless. On the other hand, I've posted jokes about right wingers so put that in your juice box and suck on it.
    You missed the point of my post. I've noticed you're in one of those "moods" as of late.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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