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    Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    A group of motorcyclists riding in New York City on Sunday chased and then attacked the driver of an SUV after he collided into a biker, while one biker filmed the entire confrontation, police said today.The 33-year-old driver of a Range Rover was driving north on Manhattan's West Side Highway with his wife and 2-year-old child around 2 p.m. when he found himself surrounded by a group of motorcyclists, police said.
    Video recorded by one of the bikers in the group shows the motorcycles slowing their speed as they surround the Range Rover, and the Range Rover then tapping the fender of a motorcyclist in the group. Twenty to 30 bikers then surrounded the SUV and started gesturing at him, the video shows.
    The motorcyclists then began damaging the Range Rover and slashed one the tires, causing the driver to take off and flee north and then exit the highway as his tire deflated, according to Officer Christopher Pisano of the NYPD.
    As he was attempting to flee, the SUV driver hit a motorcyclist before speeding off, causing the entire group of bikers to take off after him. The motorcyclist's leg was broken in the collision, police said.
    During the six-minute encounter, the Range Rover driver slowed down enough at one point for a motorcyclist to get off his bike, run up to the SUV and open the driver's side door before the Range Rover fled again.
    Finally, after the entire group turned off the highway and the SUV rolled to a stop, motorcyclists ran up to Range Rover and one biker, using his helmet, began smashing the windows of the vehicle, the video shows. Other bikers joined in before the video was stopped.

    Video Shows Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him - ABC News
    This is a real problem...But it brings up a good question...When confronted by the situation of being intimidated by a gang of Motorcyclists, or even just a group of any kind, in a car, or what ever, do you have the right to flee the scene of an accident?
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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    In the case of an accident if the vehicles are causing an unsafe condition it is ok to move them. I would say being attacked by a group of bikers constitutes an unsafe condition. Certainly a good argument against reduced magazine capacity as well. I'm thinking a Keltec PMR pistol that holds 30 rounds of 22 magnum would have been good to have.

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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    In the case of an accident if the vehicles are causing an unsafe condition it is ok to move them. I would say being attacked by a group of bikers constitutes an unsafe condition. Certainly a good argument against reduced magazine capacity as well. I'm thinking a Keltec PMR pistol that holds 30 rounds of 22 magnum would have been good to have.
    I don't want to veer into the gun debate on this but, I see your point. So, if I understand the driver of the car was in the right here, is that right?
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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is a real problem...But it brings up a good question...When confronted by the situation of being intimidated by a gang of Motorcyclists, or even just a group of any kind, in a car, or what ever, do you have the right to flee the scene of an accident?
    Who cares if you have the right? Plug in "nearest police station" to your GPS and take off. The article you've posted doesn't tell the latest story, by the way.

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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't want to veer into the gun debate on this but, I see your point. So, if I understand the driver of the car was in the right here, is that right?
    A fender bender doesn't justify group assault. That should have been an exchange of insurance information and an accident report and that's it. But my regular carry (7+1) would not have adequate for that situation. I'm a bit surprised the usual suspects are not calling for a ban on motorcycle helmets because of their possible use as weapons.

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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is a real problem...But it brings up a good question...When confronted by the situation of being intimidated by a gang of Motorcyclists, or even just a group of any kind, in a car, or what ever, do you have the right to flee the scene of an accident?
    I would say it would justify a real life grand theft auto situation.
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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is a real problem...But it brings up a good question...When confronted by the situation of being intimidated by a gang of Motorcyclists, or even just a group of any kind, in a car, or what ever, do you have the right to flee the scene of an accident?
    From what I saw the dude in the SUV was being a prick and "riding on their asses" then ran right over them....

    Rules of the road state that motorcycles should be treated in the same as cars/other full sized motor vehicles...

    Was it right for the bikers to beat his ass? not legally but I cant blame them after something like that.... Your adrenaline kicks in after something like that - some of those riders could have been killed..

    I don't know how that guy even got close to those riders....... I see bikers all the time riding and I just stay well behind them (or at least give them their space)....
    Last edited by Mr.Nick; 10-04-13 at 12:10 PM.

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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    From what I saw the dude in the SUV was being a prick and "riding on their asses" then ran right over them....

    Rules of the road state that motorcycles should be treated in the same as cars/other full sized motor vehicles...

    Was it right for the bikers to beat his ass? not legally but I cant blame them after something like that.... Your adrenaline kicks in after something like that - some of those riders could have been killed..
    I understand what you are saying, and I myself when seeing them approach at first would have probably pulled over to the curb, and let them pass...10 min just ain't worth it...

    Reports are that they were riding through intersections, clogging them up for up to 15 minutes (several light cycles) by blocking off the intersection, stopping, getting off their bikes to talk, and so forth...They were originally denied a permit to do this ride.

    But that aside, from the video, it looked to me like the bikers were boxing him in, and then the one, got in front and slowed down to try and force him to stop....I don't know as I would have stopped either.
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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    From what I saw the dude in the SUV was being a prick and "riding on their asses" then ran right over them....

    Rules of the road state that motorcycles should be treated in the same as cars/other full sized motor vehicles...

    Was it right for the bikers to beat his ass? not legally but I cant blame them after something like that.... Your adrenaline kicks in after something like that - some of those riders could have been killed..
    Ha! It just shows how unreliable eyewitness testimony is. I saw something completely different. I saw a motorcyclist deliberately slow waaay down right on the front bumper of the SUV and turn-around to make sure the driver "got his point." It was at that point that the SUV bumped the cyclist -- didn't tip his bike, by the way.

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    Re: Motorcyclists Pull Driver from Car in NYC, Beat Him After Collision

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Who cares if you have the right? Plug in "nearest police station" to your GPS and take off. The article you've posted doesn't tell the latest story, by the way.
    It is an earlier report....What is it missing to date?
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