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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Because there will be no negotiating on passing the CR that the Republicans asked for. The Republicans set the amount of the CR and the Dems agreed to it. What more can they expect to get?
    Oh BS! All you did here was find a way to continue to say that demo's won't negotiate. Regular order demands that the house sent up a bill, the senate changed it, then sent it back to the house. At that point they are supposed to go to conference to settle out the difference...So I guess you are just saying no....
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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh BS! All you did here was find a way to continue to say that demo's won't negotiate. Regular order demands that the house sent up a bill, the senate changed it, then sent it back to the house. At that point they are supposed to go to conference to settle out the difference...So I guess you are just saying no....
    There will be no negotiations pertaining to legislation already passed and signed by the President in a budget. It is out of order.


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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There will be no negotiations pertaining to legislation already passed and signed by the President in a budget. It is out of order.
    Your skewed, biased blog site generated graph aside, you truly must be living in a fantasy land where liberal democrats just make up things...It is not out of the norm in any way to leverage changes in fights like this, in fact that is how things happen.
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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope, don't have a long list. Just Libya.

    And it is NOT good judgement for the President to TAKE more power for themselves and TAKE power away from those that do have the power. No matter the reason. If our legislative body can't get their act together enough to pass a spending bill then we DESERVE to take a hit for this. Its called taking responsibility and accepting the consequences for ones actions. And frankly people need to learn this. And every single person in this country would be at fault for LETTING our legislative body for acting like spoiled little brats. Both Republicans AND Democrats are to blame here. Instead of demanding that the President violate the Constitution you should be clamoring at your congressmen and senators to get thier act together, and if they don't vote them the heck out of office. Too many congressmen and senators keep getting re-elected when they should have been booted long ago. And that is The Peoples fault.
    I agree with you on this. However, here is how I see this playing out:

    1) The president cannot enact laws. Congress does that.

    2) However, the executive branch can enforce existing laws.

    3) Congress passed a spending bill a while back. Actually, Congress has passed a lot of spending bills, along with continuing resolutions.

    4) Under those laws and continuing resolutions, the government has made purchases.

    5) The government owes money for what it has already purchased.

    6) The 14th Amendment of the Constitution says that we must pay our debts.

    7) In unilaterally raising the debt ceiling, Obama will cite the 14th Amendment, and the need to enforce it, as well as enforce paying for goods and services already purchased.

    8) This will ultimately go to the Supreme Court, which will decide if the USA is going to pay it's bills or be a deadbeat.

    9) If the USA decides it's going to be a deadbeat, then a lot of people and nations that invested in the USA are going to be pissed.......

    10) But China is going to be even more pissed, and will probably stop sending crap that doesn't work over here. The USA will have to manufacture it's own stuff, which will be of much better quality.......

    Hmmm, not a bad scenario. LOL.
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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Because there will be no negotiating on passing the CR that the Republicans asked for. The Republicans set the amount of the CR and the Dems agreed to it. What more can they expect to get?
    Once again, a CR is a Clear Resolution. Republicans are not calling for a CR, the dems are. They (the dems) want the condition that Obamacare be delayed a year stripped (but they double dog promise to discuss it later ).

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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    The TEAsshole anarchists want their own government to shut down ... does anyone think they give a **** about the world economy?
    If it comes to default the President will have to do what he has to do to save the republic and the world economy.
    The very next day he should file censure and treason charges against the TEAssholes in congress.

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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, a CR is a Clear Resolution. Republicans are not calling for a CR, the dems are. They (the dems) want the condition that Obamacare be delayed a year stripped (but they double dog promise to discuss it later ).
    Actually, both sides call it a CR. It stands for Continuing Resolution, not Clear Resolution. BTW, there were 8 CRs during the Reagan administration, and one shutdown which lasted for 11 days.
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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I agree with you on this. However, here is how I see this playing out:

    1) The president cannot enact laws. Congress does that.

    2) However, the executive branch can enforce existing laws.

    3) Congress passed a spending bill a while back. Actually, Congress has passed a lot of spending bills, along with continuing resolutions.

    4) Under those laws and continuing resolutions, the government has made purchases.

    5) The government owes money for what it has already purchased.

    6) The 14th Amendment of the Constitution says that we must pay our debts.

    7) In unilaterally raising the debt ceiling, Obama will cite the 14th Amendment, and the need to enforce it, as well as enforce paying for goods and services already purchased.

    8) This will ultimately go to the Supreme Court, which will decide if the USA is going to pay it's bills or be a deadbeat.

    9) If the USA decides it's going to be a deadbeat, then a lot of people and nations that invested in the USA are going to be pissed.......

    10) But China is going to be even more pissed, and will probably stop sending crap that doesn't work over here. The USA will have to manufacture it's own stuff, which will be of much better quality.......

    Hmmm, not a bad scenario. LOL.
    Except that the 14th also states that Congress may enforce the 14th by appropriate legislation. Not The President. Congress. If he does this then he had damn well better be impeached.
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    Re: Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that the 14th also states that Congress may enforce the 14th by appropriate legislation. Not The President. Congress. If he does this then he had damn well better be impeached.
    Yes, it says Congress may, but if Congress doesn't pay America's bills, then they have broken the law. Period.
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    Can President Obama Unilaterally Raise the Debt Ceiling?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that the 14th also states that Congress may enforce the 14th by appropriate legislation. Not The President. Congress. If he does this then he had damn well better be impeached.
    What an awesome scenario. The House GOP impeaching a sitting President for averting an economic disaster.

    I can't think of a better way to permanently banish the GOP from political relevance forever.
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