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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Hits don't mean s--t.
    Every time you try it's a hit. That's happening.
    If you bail when you find how much it'll cost it's a hit. That's happening.
    Enrollments are what counts.
    I've seen it said that 40% of the folks calling are expecting free healthcare.
    Could it be that this POS was designed to fail so that the suggested remedy will be single payer Government run healthcare ... but as we all know, Obama said "... we may not get there immediately"

    No way you say?

    "When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.” " Or maybe someone wants to argue Reid never really said that either.
    Good morning Bubba - hope all is well with you.

    I would note that here in Canada, land of the so-called single payer, health insurance is a booming business because single payer isn't really the sole payer of healthcare costs. Patients either pay out of pocket for all the unlisted services or they have supplemental health insurance privately purchased or through employment policies to cover those things not covered by the government programs.
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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Funny. Every single mention of "free" health care I've seen has come from conservatives.
    Funny, I get much the opposite. Every time I post a comment critical of Obamacare, some liberal inevitably tells me to shut up because I have free health care.

    Life's strange, isn't it.
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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Funny. Every single mention of "free" health care I've seen has come from conservatives.
    Funny. You must have eye or ear problems. Or some other problem.

    What's even funnier is Healthcare.gov had "free healthcare" on it's web site until the middle of last month.

    The "free" is just one of the boatload of lies the Dems have included as a selling point for the disaster Obamadon'tcare.
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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Funny, I get much the opposite. Every time I post a comment critical of Obamacare, some liberal inevitably tells me to shut up because I have free health care.

    Life's strange, isn't it.
    do me a favor CanadaJohn tell or local lefties forum lackeys who makes the health care decision like what urgency you are, and what treatments you can receive, when can you see a doctor, in Canada's socialist medicine

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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    do me a favor CanadaJohn tell or local lefties forum lackeys who makes the health care decision like what urgency you are, and what treatments you can receive, when can you see a doctor, in Canada's socialist medicine
    That's a tough question to answer in a simple post - there are a lot of complications involved.

    Firstly, the government contracts with doctors for the fee schedule to be paid for various services, what services will be covered, and the number of patients any doctor can serve in a given year. The doctors' association is like a union in that regard. There are limits placed on the number of "visits" any one doctor can charge to the system in the course of a year. In some locales, where there are a limited number of doctors and lots of patients, doctors either have to shut down their offices late in the year if they've passed their threshhold, or they have to see patients without claiming a fee. Some professions, like Optometrists, asked for and were granted the ability to opt out of the system because the fees the government was willing to pay for their services wasn't keeping up with the costs associated with their business model to deliver those services. As a result, everyone except senior, young children, and those on welfare, pay for their eyecare needs directly or through private or employment insurance coverage.

    Secondly, you can see your doctor whenever you can arrange an appointment with him/her, but there are many people who don't have a family doctor because there's a shortage of general practitioners available. There has been an increase in the opening of clinics here where a number of doctors practice and don't have a particular clientelle, they simply see whomever walks in the door on the particular day/time they're in the office. When my family doctor died, this is the option I chose and I like it just fine - I'm not particular about who sees me and advises me and I seldom go except for flu shots, etc. but there are many people who feel a need for a one on one relationship with a doctor they trust and like and that can be hard for them to find.

    Thirdly, when it comes to specialist services and/or hospital care like surgeries, it really depends on where you live and how much access you have to the specialists/surgeons. Where I live, in Toronto, there's obviously much more access but then a far higher number of people to serve. In more remote and northern communities, people often have to travel to Toronto or another large city to see a specialist or have an operation. As well, many services that people may need are just not readily available in Canada and the government will pay for a patient's care in a facility in one of the northern states in America. But in the case of care in the US, it is entirely up to a government agency that determines if the government will pay for that out of country care.

    Finally, I'd say in a general sense that it is the doctor(s) caring for a patient who, inconsultation with the patient, determine what care and treatment the patient will receive. But very clearly, technically, with the government funding the care and treatment to a very large extent, the amount of money government puts into the system will determine level and type of access given to patients.

    That's not comprehensive, but hope it gives a bit of a response to your question.
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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    As a public service announcement, if you can't get online to register, all you have to do is dial 1-800-
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    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/03/ne...ional-hotline/

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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    makes you wonder if the LIE of free health care was told to the ignorant masses by the community centers and the Obama local lackeys across America to get them to vote for Obama again I guess the free Obama Phones wasn't enough of a bribe they needed to throw in free health care to sweeten the deal
    It's the most sweeping program to create dependency they could have come up with during the time they had the total control they had.
    You can't make that kind of massive change happen without lies and bribes created to capture the various interest groups.

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    Re: California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Bubba - hope all is well with you.

    I would note that here in Canada, land of the so-called single payer, health insurance is a booming business because single payer isn't really the sole payer of healthcare costs. Patients either pay out of pocket for all the unlisted services or they have supplemental health insurance privately purchased or through employment policies to cover those things not covered by the government programs.
    Interesting.
    Have you given up correcting the posters about that here on DP?

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