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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And yet, it wasn't ...

    Romney: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

    Gingrich: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

    Romney: Yeah, we got it from you and the Heritage--you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you [sic].

    Gingrich: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

    Romney: And you've never supported?

    Gingrich: I agree with that, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.

    Romney: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

    Gingrich: I absolutely did, with the Heritage Foundation, against HillaryCare.

    Romney: You did support an individual mandate?

    Gingrich: Yes sir.

    Romney: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

    Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

    You must think, Gingrich, Romney, and the Heritage Foundation (to name but a few) are Democrats.
    This has been beaten to death the last week or two. Old news that had nothing to do with the Dems dreaming up Obamadon'tcare.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    This has been beaten to death the last week or two. Old news that had nothing to do with the Dems dreaming up Obamadon'tcare.
    That's so clever. Did you think that up all by yourself? It must be amazing in that wonderous brain of yours. So clever.

    I mean, it was Republicans who coined the phrase "Obamacare" as a slam to the Affordable Care Act and now that its not demonizing it as much as they intended so now you guys are calling it "Obamadon'tcare". Who said conservatives aren't funny?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    That's so clever. Did you think that up all by yourself? It must be amazing in that wonderous brain of yours. So clever.

    I mean, it was Republicans who coined the phrase "Obamacare" as a slam to the Affordable Care Act and now that its not demonizing it as much as they intended so now you guys are calling it "Obamadon'tcare". Who said conservatives aren't funny?
    I like it because he has made it clear he doesn't care who he screws out of getting healthcare. Or who loses their job. Or who gets their hours cut. Or who loses their insurance. Or who gets taxed for no economic activity at all. Or.......
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    This has been beaten to death the last week or two. Old news that had nothing to do with the Dems dreaming up Obamadon'tcare.
    You can beat yourself all you want, The principles of ObamaCare started with the Heritage Foundation. Romney implemented it in MA and as you can see in the exchange I provided, Newt supported it as well. Obama then signed it into law for the nation.

    Bigger scale, but same concept -- individual and corporation mandates to insure everyone.

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    I like it because he has made it clear he doesn't care who he screws out of getting healthcare. Or who loses their job. Or who gets their hours cut. Or who loses their insurance. Or who gets taxed for no economic activity at all. Or.......
    You mean the right doesn't care about who gets screwed or who loses their job? It is a Conservative plan.

    Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans ~ The Heritage Foundation

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
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    Obama then signed it into law for the nation.
    This part you got 100% correct.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You mean the right doesn't care about who gets screwed or who loses their job? It is a Conservative plan.

    Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans ~ The Heritage Foundation
    Thanks for posting that. It points out a slew of differences in the plan that the Heritage Foundation once considered then discarded and Obamdon'tcare. Here's one of the many differences:
    "Employer Mandates While most Americans would be reluctant to accept the endemic shortages and explicit rationing of a nati onal health service, many are drawn to the idea of requiring employers to provide hill coverage to workers and their families and mandating large employers to subsidize the health care needs of small firms and'the unemployed. Such proposals admittedly are politically attractive. There always has been an assumption in the U.S., usually encouraged by politicians, that services provided by an employer are somehow the proverbial free lunch. A budget-strapped federal government understandably is drawn to the id e a of shifting the potential cost of programs to the private sector. Unfortunately, there are serious hidden costs associated with such a mandated benefits strategy. The underlying problem with the approach is that costs may be hidden, but they are still t h ere. H an employer is required to provide medical care coverage for an employee and his family, you may be sure that the potential cost of this mandate will be taken into account in hiring practices. Thus when a job applicant mentions that he has four or f ive children and his wife is without work, for example, the employer translates that into an enormous potential health care cost. Thus there will be a strong tendency for firms to avoid hiring the very people that the mandated benefits strategy is designe d to help. With mandated benefits, the danger is that someone with a job but no insurance today Will end up tomorrow with no insurance and no job either. Similarly, a mandated benefits approach would tend to put the greatest hardship on small employers, pr e cisely those who generate the most jobs and create the most employment opportunities for the least skilled Americans. Thus a mandated benefits approach would have the unintended consequence of eliminating economic opportunity for many lower paid Americans without significantly increasing the health care services available to them. "
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Let me guess: You feel the same way about Dred Scott, Plessey v. Ferguson, and Roe v. Wade. Your faith in the wisdom of your superiors is quite touching.
    All 3 decisions were made in accordance to written law and the constitutionality of those laws in the times they were made. Do I agree that the right decision was made in all 3 cases? No, as time has told, particularly in the case of Plessy vs. Ferguson. But, particularly in the case of Dred Scott because it makes the point obvious, they ruled on a particular situation according to existing laws. Under the laws of the times, SCOTUS had to rule that Scott remain a slave, because the law was clear that he had no right to sue for freedom under the courts. Morally right? Few today would argue that. But that's not their purpose, they can only rule on and interpret existing law, which they did.

    Do you feel that we shouldn't have a SCOTUS or legal equivalent? No matter how you set up the legal system, you will need a highest authority of some kind to rule on controversial and/or complicated legal matters. The SCOTUS exists by necessity. Unless you're willing to deny the need for a highest court in the land, you're just cherry picking. Or maybe we should just do away the SCOTUS and have those powers absorbed by mr. pres.
    Could It Be Semantics Generating This Mess We're In?

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is only slightly less stupid of a request. How well do you think insurance companies are going to do when forced to take people with pre-existing conditions and no mandate to push healthy people onto the rolls? That's your reasonable request from the GOP?
    They aren't going to do well anyways because the penalities PALE in comparison to the overpriced health insurance that the healthy Americans are being "encouraged" to buy. You can thank the restrictions on the "community ratings" for that one.

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    Re: Negotations start this evening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You mean the right doesn't care about who gets screwed or who loses their job? It is a Conservative plan.

    Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans ~ The Heritage Foundation
    I'm not seeing the part where it says that community ratings should be restricted so the price on the healthy goes up 60-100%

    Could you please point that part out to me?

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