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House to try again to pass 3 emergency funding bills amid government slimdown

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Kushinator said:
This is your opinion that cannot be supported by anything other than partisan rhetoric.



This is your opinion that cannot be supported by anything other than a select set of polls that are not even borderline scientific.



Probably already posted, but i find it relevant to this discussion none the less:



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A select set of polls? Try ALL the polls, even by organizations that are Pro ACA. ALSO it is fact that the country cannot afford it, as the country cannot afford ANY additional spending.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, and the people are against Obamacare, so much for them representing the people.
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You know, continuously claiming the above does not make it true.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, and the people are against Obamacare, so much for them representing the people.
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not according to this poll from quinnipiac.

American voters oppose 72 - 22 percent Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

Voters also oppose 64 - 27 percent blocking an increase in the nation's debt ceiling as a way to stop Obamacare, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

American voters are divided on Obamacare, with 45 percent in favor and 47 percent opposed, but they are opposed 58 - 34 percent to Congress cutting off funding for the health care law to stop its implementation.

Republicans support the federal government shutdown by a narrow 49 - 44 percent margin, but opposition is 90 - 6 percent among Democrats and 74 - 19 percent among independent voters.

President Barack Obama gets a negative 45 - 49 percent overall job approval rating, compared to his 46 - 48 percent score August 2.

American voters disapprove 74 - 17 percent of the job Republicans in Congress are doing, their lowest score ever, and disapprove 60 - 32 percent of the job Democrats are doing.
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National (US) Poll - October 1, 2013 - American Voters Reject GOP Shu | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
 
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clownboy said:
Did you actually read those stats or were you busy celebrating? Shows, even on this skewed poll, that Americans are, in the majority, NOT in favor of Obamacare.
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:lamo :thumbs:
 
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Kushinator said:
You know, continuously claiming the above does not make it true.
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No, but poll after poll, liberal and conservative polling outfits, say the same thing - the majority of Americans are against Obamacare.
 
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Are you obtuse? Seriously? You really think this is the first time the House of Representatives have dealt with the issue of obamafarce? Have you been living in a bubble and ignore the 41 other times they voted to terminate the stupid act? Harry and the senate won't allow it to a vote so now the Republicans must do what they were elected to do with teeth - deal with it.


Swit said:
When one duly elected legislative body waits until the 0 hour to deal with this why should the other duly elected legislative body or the president capitulate? If they wanted to conference about this they should have started 6 months ago. Does anyone really think that anyone would sit down and try to negotiate altering a signature piece of legislation in a single evening or even a week or month?
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And why can't the people have the same thing? Why "must" they join now but the corps not? Because the golfing dictator says so - I hope they tell him tough luck and where to go.


Swit said:
You do understand the corporate waivers only allow the businesses that were approved to continue to offer health plans WITH annual maximum benefit provisions. They aren't exempt from the ACA, only the provision that states the plans must have unlimited annual benefits. That's it... And only until 2014.
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davidtaylorjr said:
A select set of polls? Try ALL the polls, even by organizations that are Pro ACA.
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Show me one poll that shows opposition in excess of the margin of error.

ALSO it is fact that the country cannot afford it, as the country cannot afford ANY additional spending.
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You are presenting an opinion.
 
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clownboy said:
Did you actually read those stats or were you busy celebrating? Shows, even on this skewed poll, that Americans are, in the majority, NOT in favor of Obamacare.
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the poll on obamacares was that 45% of Americans are in favor of the law, while 47% are opposed to it. that's only a 2% difference.

however the poll shows that american voters oppose shutting down the government over obamacare by 72% to 22%

and American voters oppose blocking the increase of the debt ceiling as a way to stop Obamacare 64% to 27%.

and why is this poll "skewed"?
 
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It doesn't really matter who's at fault so stop bickering about it. If the tables were turned it would be the Dems blocking it and the GOP wanting to lift the ceiling. This has nothing to do with Tea Party tactics. It's dirty, corrupt politics. Whoever the party is that's not in power spends all its time trying to obstruct and defame the party that is in power. That's the glory of the two-party merry-go-round. No one is looking out for the best interest of this country anymore. It's essentially a battle between ideological fanatics and corporate interests at this point.

Come Feb 2014 none of this is going to matter, if what the stars have predicted is true.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
House to try again to pass 3 emergency funding bills amid government slimdown | Fox News

Proof that it is the Democrats who are holding the government hostage, not the Republicans.
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In the progressive brain it's because the republicans aren't giving progressives whatever the **** they want when they want it..

Progressives feel entitled to whatever they want when they want it and this just goes to prove that....

Remember when a 5-year-old wants a candy bar and throws a fit for one and mommy says no - it's never their fault for acting like the children they are - it's "mommies fault."

Well you're seeing the same thing happen today on capitol hill - democrats are the 5-year-olds crying for candy and republicans are the parent saying "no." "No" being Obamacare.

"if you don't give me candy mommy I'm not going to clean my room"
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
the poll on obamacares was that 45% of Americans are in favor of the law, while 47% are opposed to it. that's only a 2% difference.

however the poll shows that american voters oppose shutting down the government over obamacare by 72% to 22%

and American voters oppose blocking the increase of the debt ceiling as a way to stop Obamacare 64% to 27%.

and why is this poll "skewed"?
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It's a majority in every poll, some far more than 2%, though that really doesn't make that much difference when we're talking about representation. Those reps have a duty to stick to what their constituency dictates, that's the job.

Typical skew - formulating the questions to receive the desired answer.
 
Mr.Nick said:
In the progressive brain it's because the republicans aren't giving progressives whatever the **** they want when they want it..

Progressives feel entitled to whatever they want when they want it and this just goes to prove that....

Remember when a 5-year-old wants a candy bar and throws a fit for one and mommy says no - it's never their fault for acting like the children they are - it's "mommies fault."

Well you're seeing the same thing happen today on capitol hill - democrats are the 5-year-olds crying for candy and republicans are the parent saying "no." "No" being Obamacare.

"if you don't give me candy mommy I'm not going to clean my room"
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Very good analogy!
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
the poll on obamacares was that 45% of Americans are in favor of the law, while 47% are opposed to it. that's only a 2% difference.

however the poll shows that american voters oppose shutting down the government over obamacare by 72% to 22%

and American voters oppose blocking the increase of the debt ceiling as a way to stop Obamacare 64% to 27%.

and why is this poll "skewed"?
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and that was only one poll, but sense you have faith in that Quinnipiac poll you need to read the part that the vast majority of the public blame both parties equally for the shut down by 58% so the democrats all not going to walk away from this undamaged like they think they will
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Very good analogy!
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no surprise i see it differently
the republican children, being expected to share the available candy, instead hide it, so that no one can have any
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
but the senate and president also represent the people, or do they represent robots?
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Robots, definitely robots! I prefer to think that than a POTUS who refers to Republicans as "enemies." Some of those "enemies" voted for him the first time, but when learned they were enemies, he lost their votes in his reelection. Not that he needed them, of course, but perception is important, you know. As far as Reid is concerned, I have no idea where he is coming from, except that he is definitely partisan, too, so he only seems to represent half the people, as does the POTUS. sad... :afraid:

Greetings, Unitedwestand13. :2wave:
 
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polgara said:
Robots, definitely robots! I prefer to think that than a POTUS who refers to Republicans as "enemies." Some of those "enemies" voted for him the first time, but when learned they were enemies, he lost their votes in his reelection. Not that he needed them, of course, but perception is important, you know. As far as Reid is concerned, I have no idea where he is coming from, except that he is definitely partisan, too, so he only seems to represent half the people, as does the POTUS. sad... :afraid:

Greetings, Unitedwestand13. :2wave:
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Well said. This administration only represents - only WANTS to represent half the people - while demonizing, vilifying, and segregating the other half.
 
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EdwinWillers said:
Well said. This administration only represents - only WANTS to represent half the people - while demonizing, vilifying, and segregating the other half.
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This administration is pushing for a totalitarian government and obedient populace - think Mao - just super progressive...

Their intent is no different....
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

All but one, time for you to wake up now!
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My apologies for not communicating clearly. The poll data i was referencing was with respect to the government shutdown. So while the majority of Americans oppose the ACA, this does not translate to support for actions of the HOR. I have yet to see a single poll that shows favorable support for appealing/defunding/etc... via the budgetary process.
 
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