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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    While I would normally tend to agree. I see no reason for the Dems to attempt to allow the GOP to save face. Aren't they suppose to be the party of personal responsibility?
    That's what you and the sockpuppets just don't get. It's not a matter of saving face, it's a matter of serving their constituencies who are largely against Obamacare and the ruin it's bringing to our healthcare system. You want them to give up and go away, we don't.

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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Newsflash: They ARE doing it legislatively.
    No, they are negotiating from a position of weakness.

    The real issue is that those of the GOP who have invested tons of political capital bashing the ACA are scared to death that it will become popular just as medicare and medicaid have become. It is a hail mary attempt to ensure the survival of the Tea Party.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    No, they are negotiating from a position of weakness.

    The real issue is that those of the GOP who have invested tons of political capital bashing the ACA are scared to death that it will become popular just as medicare and medicaid have become. It is a hail mary attempt to ensure the survival of the Tea Party.
    No, they are negotiating from a position of representation, as they should. The people who have to pay for this nightmare are against it. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Tea Party movement. It's laughable that you might think Boehner was ever a part of that movement.

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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    < snip > In reality, Obama has embraced the term.
    Of course he has - it's got his name written all over it.

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    Better Obamacare than Republicansdon't. right?
    Agreed. If you're going to name something, name it after the champion. You can subtitle it however you please (even if it is a lie).
    Who chimes "No Absolutes!" chimes absolutely.

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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, they are negotiating from a position of representation, as they should. The people who have to pay for this nightmare are against it. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Tea Party movement. It's laughable that you might think Boehner was ever a part of that movement.
    but the senate and president also represent the people, or do they represent robots?

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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    No, they are negotiating from a position of weakness.

    The real issue is that those of the GOP who have invested tons of political capital bashing the ACA are scared to death that it will become popular just as medicare and medicaid have become. It is a hail mary attempt to ensure the survival of the Tea Party.
    OR, let's talk about the facts. The fact is the country cannot afford ACA, the country does not want ACA, and the Republicans are taking legislative measures to get that corrected. That is truth.
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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, they are negotiating from a position of representation, as they should. The people who have to pay for this nightmare are against it. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Tea Party movement. It's laughable that you might think Boehner was ever a part of that movement.
    They have no bargaining chips other than avoid the demise of the well-beings of millions of Americans. I get it, you are against the ACA. The budgeting process is not the appropriate venue to attempt to get your way.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    The fact is the country cannot afford ACA
    This is your opinion that cannot be supported by anything other than partisan rhetoric.

    the country does not want ACA
    This is your opinion that cannot be supported by anything other than a select set of polls that are not even borderline scientific.

    and the Republicans are taking legislative measures to get that corrected. That is truth.
    Probably already posted, but i find it relevant to this discussion none the less:

    The evidence going back to the Newt Gingrich Congress is that no party can govern from the House, and the Republican Party can't abide the outcry when flights are delayed, national parks close and direct deposits for military spouses stop. Sooner or later the GOP breaks.

    This all-or-nothing posture also usually results in worse policy. The most recent example was the failure of Mr. Boehner's fiscal cliff "Plan B" in December 2012, which was the best the GOP could do because Mr. Obama had the whip hand of automatic tax increases. The fallback deal that was sealed in the Senate raised taxes by more and is now complicating the prospects for tax reform.

    The backbenchers are heading into another box canyon now. Mr. Boehner is undermined because the other side knows he lacks 218 GOP votes, which empowers House and Senate Democrats. They want to reverse the modest spending discipline of the sequester, and if the House GOP can't hold together on the CR they will succeed. The only chance of any entitlement reform worth the name is if Mr. Boehner can hold his majority and negotiate from strength.
    The rest of the article can be found here.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    but the senate and president also represent the people, or do they represent robots?
    Yeah, and the people are against Obamacare, so much for them representing the people.

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    Re: Democrats Hold

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    They have no bargaining chips other than avoid the demise of the well-beings of millions of Americans. I get it, you are against the ACA. The budgeting process is not the appropriate venue to attempt to get your way.
    Unfortunately, in our political system and with a democrat party that refuses to listen to the people they represent, it's the ONLY venue.

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