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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    By a gay judge, and then upheld not on the merits, but on procedure.

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    So what if he was gay? And the arguments haven't held up in other courts either, no matter the sexuality of the judge. The only thing that seems to matter is the political or religious views of the judge. Their own bias against homosexuals is the only thing that prevents any judge from being able to see that there is no legitimate state interest being furthered by restrictions on marriage based on sex/gender.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    And would any of that be mitigated by banning gay marriage?
    Promiscuity is mainstay of homosexual culture. Monogamy is not. I guess it might help a few, but policy should never be based on the few, or the exception to the rule. Liberals and left leaning libertarians always want the exception to become the rule when finding a problem worth fixing. Conservatives rarely see it that way.

    Marriage is broken in the west and there are a number of reasons for it, too many to list, adding homosexuals to the mix won't make it any better, and probably make it less legitimate. Heck there are stalwarts who want to ban government from marriage altogether now. An idea I have admittedly considered myself, but not there yet. What is the upside to SSM I ask myself, and the answer always comes back as none.


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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So what if he was gay? And the arguments haven't held up in other courts either, no matter the sexuality of the judge. The only thing that seems to matter is the political or religious views of the judge. Their own bias against homosexuals is the only thing that prevents any judge from being able to see that there is no legitimate state interest being furthered by restrictions on marriage based on sex/gender.


    Well it kinda makes a difference to some of us. As to the legitimacy question or rationale, or whatever, it really is a matter of opinion. The excellent brief I posted echo's my sentiments exactly on the issue. I can see why it doesn't for you, and that's ok with me.

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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well it kinda makes a difference to some of us. As to the legitimacy question or rationale, or whatever, it really is a matter of opinion. The excellent brief I posted echo's my sentiments exactly on the issue. I can see why it doesn't for you, and that's ok with me.

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    Only those who think that it is okay to discriminate against gays using marriage or adoption laws.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Promiscuity is mainstay of homosexual culture. Monogamy is not. I guess it might help a few, but policy should never be based on the few, or the exception to the rule. Liberals and left leaning libertarians always want the exception to become the rule when finding a problem worth fixing. Conservatives rarely see it that way.

    Marriage is broken in the west and there are a number of reasons for it, too many to list, adding homosexuals to the mix won't make it any better, and probably make it less legitimate. Heck there are stalwarts who want to ban government from marriage altogether now. An idea I have admittedly considered myself, but not there yet. What is the upside to SSM I ask myself, and the answer always comes back as none.


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    Negative stereotyping of gays is "mainstay" of anti-gay/ssm people. Only ignorant people believe that monogamy is the exception to a promiscuity "rule" among gays.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Right, because that is an equal comparison.....
    Certainly is. It's discrimination along an arbitrary line. Fighting SSM is analogous to fighting interracial marriage. The arguments are even neigh the same.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So what if he was gay? And the arguments haven't held up in other courts either, no matter the sexuality of the judge. The only thing that seems to matter is the political or religious views of the judge. Their own bias against homosexuals is the only thing that prevents any judge from being able to see that there is no legitimate state interest being furthered by restrictions on marriage based on sex/gender.
    exactly its meaningless in reality, only biased desperation would make anybody focus on something so inane.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I would love to know what "rights" gays don't have?

    Agent J need not answer this question since you're on my ignore list...
    Well for SSM argument, it's right to contract.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Certainly is. It's discrimination along an arbitrary line. Fighting SSM is analogous to fighting interracial marriage. The arguments are even neigh the same.
    No. Race is an unchangeable trait, despite what Michael Jackson thought, homosexuality is not.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Only those who think that it is okay to discriminate against gays using marriage or adoption laws.
    exactly
    only those that want to justify their biases, support of discrimination and or bigotry.
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