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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    So how about siblings? How about Parent and child? Should that be allowed to in the name of equality? What about polygamy? Should that be allowed under equality?
    The state is able to successfully articulate/justify how restrictions against parent/child or sibling marriages further a legitimate state interest and actually protect more people than not having such restrictions would, particularly since such relations already have the main thing that marriage grants for every person in a marriage, legal kinship. Now, I wouldn't fight against opening up marriage to legal kin in the way that most same sex marriage foes fight it, but I do believe it is a bad idea. Luckily, I don't think enough honest support would be found for such a proposal in the near future. It simply isn't as in demand as same sex marriages, especially since there is good evidence that at least a good majority of such relationships began prior to age of consent. And there is an assumed intimacy involved in marriage.

    Marriage in the US is based around 2 people and only 2 people within the legal relationship. It is only able, with the laws as they are currently, to reasonably protect one spouse and recognize one spouse as such. A spouse does hold a level of kinship that puts them as the closest relative of their spouse. You cannot legally have two people to fill that role without major legal problems, just as you cannot have two people named as your medical proxy, legally (which is in fact another thing spouse automatically holds unless there is some other legal document saying otherwise).
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Exactly, they changed the definition to make people feel good like I said. Thanks for proving my point.
    They changed the definition because times changed to recognize that marriage covered those in same sex relationships as well. It simply was not an accurate definition once same sex couples could be open about their relationships without (as much) fear of negative consequences from others.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The state is able to successfully articulate/justify how restrictions against parent/child or sibling marriages further a legitimate state interest and actually protect more people than not having such restrictions would, particularly since such relations already have the main thing that marriage grants for every person in a marriage, legal kinship. Now, I wouldn't fight against opening up marriage to legal kin in the way that most same sex marriage foes fight it, but I do believe it is a bad idea. Luckily, I don't think enough honest support would be found for such a proposal in the near future. It simply isn't as in demand as same sex marriages, especially since there is good evidence that at least a good majority of such relationships began prior to age of consent. And there is an assumed intimacy involved in marriage.

    Marriage in the US is based around 2 people and only 2 people within the legal relationship. It is only able, with the laws as they are currently, to reasonably protect one spouse and recognize one spouse as such. A spouse does hold a level of kinship that puts them as the closest relative of their spouse. You cannot legally have two people to fill that role without major legal problems, just as you cannot have two people named as your medical proxy, legally (which is in fact another thing spouse automatically holds unless there is some other legal document saying otherwise).
    Gay marriage is no different.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Didn't deflect, I said those things in my first comment as well, you guys left that off to spin the conversation the way you wanted it to go.
    wow your posts are so dishonest.
    so are you ready to admit the fact that bestiality is not equal to hetero/homosexual marriage?
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Gay marriage is no different.
    Same sex marriage is very different. The people do not already have the kinship and they are only two people. There is no problems with the legal contract and how it works because man can be substituted for woman within any of our laws and vice versa, but 2 or more people cannot substitute for one without problems. And there is no real reason to suspect undue influence in the majority of same sex relationships, unlike those relationships where someone was raised with/by another, most familial relationships. Plus, there is no chance of genetic deformities in offspring of same sex couples, whereas there is a huge chance with 1st tier relations, parent/child or siblings.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Same sex marriage is very different. The people do not already have the kinship and they are only two people. There is no problems with the legal contract and how it works because man can be substituted for woman within any of our laws and vice versa, but 2 or more people cannot substitute for one without problems. And there is no real reason to suspect undue influence in the majority of same sex relationships, unlike those relationships where someone was raised with/by another, most familial relationships. Plus, there is no chance of genetic deformities in offspring of same sex couples, whereas there is a huge chance with 1st tier relations, parent/child or siblings.
    Increased chance of HIV though.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wow your posts are so dishonest.
    so are you ready to admit the fact that bestiality is not equal to hetero/homosexual marriage?
    How was I dishonest? Do tell. Oh wait, you can't because that was a lie.
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Exactly, they changed the definition to make people feel good like I said. Thanks for proving my point.
    you made no point it wasnt changed it existed BC equality was granted
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    How was I dishonest? Do tell. Oh wait, you can't because that was a lie.
    thats easy you said we tried to spin your post that is a lie and factually false, 100% and the thread proves that
    any other requests?

    now stop dodging
    are you ready to admit the fact that bestiality is not equal to hetero/homosexual marriage?
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    Re: Gay rights organization files federal lawsuit challenging W.Va

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Increased chance of HIV though.
    Not for lesbians.

    And that isn't because of their relationships. In fact, with marriage, there is a reduced chance of HIV because marriage reduces the chance of HIV. It is a monogamous relationship for many couples, even those who were more open prior to entry into marriage. Same sex marriage will not increase chance of HIV.
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