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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

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    Wrong party there - Obama met with the insurance companies early on and gave them whatever they wanted from the deal. Did it closed door too, that's why for a while there Pelosi thought a single payer option was on the table and had to quickly backtrack.
    I'm not too sure about that. It took some real arm twisting to get those companies to sit down with Obama and talk. These companies can't be too wild about the "they can't turn you down" thing.
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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Yes Right Wingers who want to deny who is responsible for the shut down.. this is Conservative Forbes.

    Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard - Forbes
    10/01/2013 @ 10:52AM
    LOL. The writer, Loren Thompson works for a company that only gets paid if the military is spending. He also is on record pushing the Expeditionary Fighting vehicle for when we invade Vietnam again. Same guy said in 2012 that everybody in the GOP was unsuited for higher office.

    He is not part of Forbes, just a contributor. Easy to see why.
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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Yes Right Wingers who want to deny who is responsible for the shut down.. this is Conservative Forbes.

    Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard - Forbes
    10/01/2013 @ 10:52AM
    I stopped reading after you falsely claimed Forbes is a conservative he is a libertarian

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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    The House is at this very minute writing up individual bills to fund the military, DHS and so on... I am sure the Democrats will be quick to pass those in the senate and Obama will sign them into law... because they REALLY care about the military. Right?

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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The House is at this very minute writing up individual bills to fund the military, DHS and so on... I am sure the Democrats will be quick to pass those in the senate and Obama will sign them into law... because they REALLY care about the military. Right?
    why pick and choose what parts of the government to keep open? why not fund all of the government.

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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Yes Right Wingers who want to deny who is responsible for the shut down.. this is Conservative Forbes.
    well, firstly, those two items are largely unconnected. But lets' take a look.

    Only hours before the federal government began its partial shutdown at midnight on Tuesday, Congress passed a law assuring that military personnel will get checks promptly when their next payday rolls around on October 15 — even if there are still no appropriations for the new fiscal year. But that doesn’t mean military families will be untouched by the shutdown. The stateside commissaries where they buy food are closed. Most government-funded travel has been suspended. Services provided by civilian federal workers will be disrupted. Even death benefits for warfighters killed in action might be delayed.
    Pretty much if the spending is important, it's going forward.

    Look. I was sent to Hawaii just last week to do a "site visit"; ie: to liaise with our Marines there, to do some work stuff, get some synergy and unity of effort going etc.... all stuff that could have been done (with a little more difficulty) over email. Why did I get sent? Literally the reason I got sent was because we had money we needed to spend.

    So that is the kind of "travel" that is being suspended. The horror.

    PCS is still funded, important trips are still funded, deployment and redeployment is still funded, separations are still funded...

    The "ohmagerdohmagerd the military family sky is falling" hysteria is simply unsupportable. Even when I was stateside, we didn't shop for food at the Commissary - because Wal-Mart was cheaper.

    We will start having significant problems in a few years once our mission set remains expanded but our assets to meet them are dramatically shrunk. But that is a result of Sequestration and budge cuts, not bickering over CR's.

    [.......]
    The vast warfighting machine that the nation spent trillions of dollars building up after 9-11 is rapidly running down, a victim of partisan bickering in which the once staunchly pro-defense Republican Party has become the biggest threat to U.S. military preparedness.
    This is incorrect as the Democrats want to cut even more. However, the military cuts that are driving down the force are part of the regular reductions after a war and the particulars of Sequestration. Remember Sequestration? When Democrats insisted on large, unwieldy defense cuts because they assumed it meant so much pain for Republicans that Republicans would never allow it?

    That’s a title that GOP partisans gleefully attached to the Democrats after Vietnam, but most Republicans in the House now seem to have higher priorities than keeping the joint force trained and equipped.
    [........]
    Yup. It's called "Fiscal Survival of the Nation".

    So when Republican proponents of the Tea Party agenda in the House speak in glowing terms about disrupting federal funding mechanisms — “We’re very excited,” says Michelle Bachmann (R-MN), “It’s wonderful” says John Culberson (R-TX) — we ought to see their enthusiasm for what it is. It is ideological fervor fed at the expense of America’s warfighters.
    Hm. It's Oct 2 here. As a warfighter I look around.... most stuff seems okay. My lawn needs cutting....

    Those warfighters are more likely to die in future conflicts because funding for training and technology was cut, and their families are more likely to suffer in the near term for lack of support. The good news is that once legislators in both parties realize that is what’s happening, the Tea Party movement is likely to lose its momentum.
    The bolded portion of this statement is true. More warfighters will die in future conflicts because we are not making the investments in gear and training now, just as more warfighters will die in future conflicts because the leadership that this administration has chosen to shape the post-war force seems intent on pushing out anyone who demonstrated that they were actually good at fighting.

    The underlined is not. You may have some minor problems (my Tuition Assistance package probably isn't going to be approved until something gets passed), but nothing is really going to threaten America's military families. Nor is either party of congress likely to A) be willing to admit what is happening or B) willing to reduce their support for cutting military spending if they do realize what's happening. Dramatically cutting military spending after a war in order to make room for social priorities and paying the price later by losing more guys like me is a long American tradition.

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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    i'm at a loss as to the purpose of this thread..

    are we supposed to be assigning blame to the GOP as the OP wants us to.. or are we supposed to be talking about the military feeling the pinch and Democrats pretending to care?

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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    I stopped reading after you falsely claimed Forbes is a conservative he is a libertarian
    You "stopped reading" early on, obviously.
    Nor would it be wise to ignore content just because you want to Parse/Over-define Forbes, The Magazine, Not person.
    If you're going to try and be clever with words, be more careful.

    The person:
    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Forbes
    [......]
    Forbes entered the Republican primaries for President of the United States in 1996 and 2000, primarily running on a campaign to establish a flat income tax. He also supported the ideas of re-introducing 4 1/2% mortgages and term limits in 1996, but dropped both in 2000 (as they were minor planks in his overall platform).
    [......]
    Major issues Forbes has supported include free trade, health savings accounts, and allowing people to opt out 75% of Social Security payroll taxes into personal retirement accounts (PRAs). He supports traditional Republican Party policies such as downsizing government agencies to balance the budget, tough crime laws and support for the death penalty, and school vouchers. He opposes gun control and most government regulation of the environment, as well as drug legalization and same-sex marriage.[13] This last was despite his father's increasingly flamboyant gay lifestyle before his death.[14]
    [......]
    In his 2000 campaign, Forbes professed his support for Social Conservatism along with his supply-side economics. Despite holding opposite positions in 1996, for the 2000 campaign, Forbes announced he was adamantly opposed to abortion and supported prayer in public schools. The previous year Forbes had issued a statement saying he would no longer donate money to Princeton University due to its hiring of philosopher Peter Singer, who views personhood as being limited to 'sentient' beings and therefore considers some disabled people and all infants to lack this status. Steve Forbes was one of the signers of the Statement of Principles of Project for the New American Century (PNAC) on June 3, 1997.
    "Libertarian" is never mentioned.
    Nonetheless, he is without question from the Right side of the political spectrum. So your contentious reply was as empty as one would expect from someone who 'stopped reading... long ago.

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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    why pick and choose what parts of the government to keep open? why not fund all of the government.

    Why should they behave any differently than the President? He has spent the last 4 1/2 years picking and choosing what laws he cares to enforce, and even what parts of the ACA he wants to implement. The Republicans have now offered him full funding of ALL the government except the ACA. He should take it.

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    Re: Tea Party Budget Tactics Are Hitting The Military Hard

    Steve Forbes didn't write the article Mbig

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