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Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy[W:200]

Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

You are acting as though the legislative process has become obsolete with the election and re-election of Obama. Now that things didn't work out the way you and your ideology wanted, long standing legislative processes are to be thrown out the window.

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The election has nothing to do with it. Nice photoshop work by the way!
 
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The election has nothing to do with it.

Obviously it does, or we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with.

Nice photoshop work by the way!

Not mine. But it sums your position up rather well.
 
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It does look as if there may have been a miscalculation by the left. That Obamacare isn't ready for prime time is obvious. The administration is constrained by the election time table and find themselves forced to get as many signed up for an incomplete and unfinished program as possible or watch it die on the vine. I think they're damned either way, regardless of the shut down flap and who is perceived to have come out on top in the short term. How's your leg progressing, BTW?

:agree: with your thoughts on Obamacare! :thumbs:

The surgeon I am seeing here is very pleased that everything is ahead of what they refer to as the recovery curve. He told me no marathon running should be attempted till Spring, though! I wholeheartedly agreed with him, and told him that since I didn't participate before I broke my leg, I didn't feel any great need to push my luck now! :lamo: We both enjoyed that little exchange!
 
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:agree: with your thoughts on Obamacare! :thumbs:

The surgeon I am seeing here is very pleased that everything is ahead of what they refer to as the recovery curve. He told me no marathon running should be attempted till Spring, though! I wholeheartedly agreed with him, and told him that since I didn't participate before I broke my leg, I didn't feel any great need to push my luck now! :lamo: We both enjoyed that little exchange!
Ha! So you've bent the recovery curve. Good deal. Here's a site that'll give you all you need to reconsider your decision as Spring approaches: MarathonGuide.com - US Marathons Races Directory and Schedule
 
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They aren't, they just keep pointing out the lies of Obama and his cronies..

You do a great job illustrating just how desperate the GOP has become.
 
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Not desperate, we just deal with truth, not liberal lies.

The truth is, the ACA is legal and now active.

It is also true that the only thing your party can do about it is the proverbial "i'll hold my breath until i turn blue". Now they will have to accept the consequences their actions, whether they want to or not (just like the ACA).
 
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Ha! So you've bent the recovery curve. Good deal. Here's a site that'll give you all you need to reconsider your decision as Spring approaches: MarathonGuide.com - US Marathons Races Directory and Schedule

Ha! :thumbs: Come Spring, and gardening, I'll hopefully be too busy to run after anything except the Chihuahua I'm babysitting! God, that little guy is fast! I guess when you only weigh five pounds, you gotta be nimble to survive! :lamo:
 
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The truth is, the ACA is legal and now active.

So was slavery at one time

What's your point. We don't live in a Dictatorship (yet)

Laws can be repealed and/or defunded. That's how our Government works. I certainly don't remember you claiming The Bush Tax cuts were "The law of the land" or a million other examples I could easily give.
 
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So was slavery at one time

A most ridiculous (not to mention desperate) comparison.

Laws can be repealed and/or defunded. That's how our Government works.

Agreed. Just as there are appropriate venues to repeal specific legislation. The budgeting process is just not one of them.

I certainly don't remember you claiming The Bush Tax cuts were "The law of the land" or a million other examples I could easily give.

Again, a poor comparison (at best). The expiration date of the Bush tax cuts were built into the legislation itself.
 
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A most ridiculous (not to mention desperate) comparison.

Not at all. You're just characterizing it that way because it completely obliterates your argument

Agreed. Just as there are appropriate venues to repeal specific legislation. The budgeting process is just not one of them.

I don't remember you using this argument when Democrats used their power over the budget to threaten defunding The Iraq War

Again, a poor comparison (at best). The expiration date of the Bush tax cuts were built into the legislation itself.

Which still didn't stop people like you from screaming they needed to be repealed for years and years. You're only labeling things a poor comparison because you don't have a logical counter to it. You only make my point stronger because you didn't think it through. By still demanding those tax cuts be repealed (knowing they had an expiration date) that just shows that Democrats certainly don't respect established laws, even with expiration dates. We never see Kushinator tell Democrats "It's the law of the land" when they oppose laws on principle. No, we're supposed to shut up and allow The Government to compel us by force according to Kushinator. #smh
 
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Not at all. You're just characterizing it that way because it completely obliterates your argument

Slavery was the act of treating a human being as property. That you cannot understand why your comparison fails is for you to figure out.

I don't remember you using this argument when Democrats used their power over the budget to threaten defunding The Iraq War.

The Iraq war was funded via deficit spending, during a period of economic growth. Sending our troops to kill or be killed is not the same thing as domestic health care reform. Imagine how much stronger the economy would have been had that money been spent domestically instead of destroying and then rebuilding a ME nation.

Which still didn't stop people like you from screaming they needed to be repealed for years and years.

Show me where i screamed anything of the sort. Hence, your response is invalid.

You're only labeling things a poor comparison because you don't have a logical counter to it.

A poor comparison is a poor comparison; it has nothing to do with your perception of my ability to logically counter it.
 
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Speaking of slavery: Wasn't the U.S. the last major nation to denounce slavery? Just as we will be the last major nation to offer a public option for health care. It is going to happen, the question is when.
 
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Slavery was the act of treating a human being as property. That you cannot understand why your comparison fails is for you to figure out.

Which was upheld by the Supreme Court. Jim Crow Laws were also upheld by The Supreme Court. At one time both were "The Law of the Land".

You're acting like Obamacare isn't an invasion of privacy and a breach of private property laws and The Constitution. It also includes an authoritarian mandate. Instead of one race being bullied by The Government, it's now the entire country. #Foreward!


The Iraq war was funded via deficit spending, during a period of economic growth. Sending our troops to kill or be killed is not the same thing as domestic health care reform. Imagine how much stronger the economy would have been had that money been spent domestically instead of destroying and then rebuilding a ME nation.

I realize now why you only stick to economic topics where all you ever do is advocate massive Government borrowing and spending.

Not even the unions want Obamacare. The "law of the land" is CRUSHING our economy right now and is driving the country faster towards bankruptcy. You keep defeating your own arguments with your own words. It's comical watching you stray out of your usual schtick with hilarious results :lol:

Show me where i screamed anything of the sort. Hence, your response is invalid.

We've had enough economic debates for me to know you've been blaming the debt for years on "Bush's tax cuts". Democrats for years whined and cried they needed to be repealed, knowing they were going to expire. You know this is true. I know this is true. Par for the course though, you feign ignorance because you're strawman was just kicked aside like a tin can.

A poor comparison is a poor comparison; it has nothing to do with your perception of my ability to logically counter it.

Don't come back at me with "poor comparison" because you can't refute it. That's lazy and only shows how limited your critical thinking skills actually are. Slavery was "The law of the land" at one time in this country. The Supreme Court said so. The Founders purposely designed our Government to give people the power to combat authoritarian narcissists like Obama who they knew would get elected and ram through tyranny like this.

This "law of the land" argument is paper thin strawman at best. This country was founded by Revolutionaries who refused to accept "The Law of the Land" because it infringed on their unalienable rights. So not only do you not understand Economics, you also don't know History. :2wave:
 
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Speaking of slavery: Wasn't the U.S. the last major nation to denounce slavery? Just as we will be the last major nation to offer a public option for health care. It is going to happen, the question is when.

No, in fact slavery still exists in at least one African nation.
 
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Which was upheld by the Supreme Court. Jim Crow Laws were also upheld by The Supreme Court. At one time both were "The Law of the Land".

If you can't understand the difference between allowing a certain subset of the population to own another human being and reforming health care, then i don't know what to tell you other than... sorry.

I realize now why you only stick to economic topics where all you ever do is advocate massive Government borrowing and spending.

So instead of discussing the topic, you want to discuss me.

Not even the unions want Obamacare. The "law of the land" is CRUSHING our economy right now and is driving the country faster towards bankruptcy. You keep defeating your own arguments with your own words. It's comical watching you stray out of your usual schtick with hilarious results :lol:

You continue to compound opinionated drivel and unsubstantiated claims.

We've had enough economic debates for me to know you've been blaming the debt for years on "Bush's tax cuts".

A portion of the debt accumulated throughout the Bush years was a function of the "Bush tax cuts".

Democrats for years whined and cried they needed to be repealed, knowing they were going to expire. You know this is true. I know this is true. Par for the course though, you feign ignorance because you're strawman was just kicked aside like a tin can.

You are not responding to the democrats who whined and cried, nor will i act as a proxy for you to voice your disdain for them.

Slavery was "The law of the land" at one time in this country. The Supreme Court said so. The Founders purposely designed our Government to give people the power to combat authoritarian narcissists like Obama who they knew would get elected and ram through tyranny like this.

It has ZERO to do with the current debacle in Congress. You are using your opinion to verify the notion that the ACA is akin to slavery; which goes to show just how desperate you and your ideology have become.
 
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There should be a law similar to Godwin's Law, but instead of comparisons with Nazism, it describes how tea party types compare any rational federal law to slavery within 2 posts.

I hereby christen it Joaquin's Law.
 
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No, in fact slavery still exists in at least one African nation.

Slavery existed during WWII; your post does not address my comment.
 
Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

There should be a law similar to Godwin's Law, but instead of comparisons with Nazism, it describes how tea party types compare any rational federal law to slavery within 2 posts.

I hereby christen it Joaquin's Law.

Godwin's Law doesn't apply if the shoe fits

Obamacare = Fascism
 
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:roll: That's assuming that most people get their news from watching news channels.

If TV were to stop tomorrow.... I mean, if TV signals just ceased permanently, and all televisions sets went blank forever, you would see the suicide rate in this country skyrocket, despite the billions of books that would still exist. Why? Because I am convinced that some people would rather die than have to think for themselves.
 
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Godwin's Law doesn't apply if the shoe fits

Obamacare = Fascism

How does "Facism" equate with a law that passed both houses of a democratically elected Congress and was upheld against a Constitutional Challenge by the Supreme Court of the United States of America? Your response should be very interesting.......
 
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