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Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy[W:200]

Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

Unitedwestand13 said:
he can't even control his own caucus. they seem to respond to more to ted cruz, who is a senator not a member of the house.
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Just in case you didn't know, I'm not a member of the House. You act as if I'm appearing on CSPAN right now.
 
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Hatuey said:
So - just for reference, what's the end game? Government is shut down - fine: Then what? ObamaCare is still going through. People are opposed to the GOP orchestrated shut down and there will be hell to pay next election. You think those 60 seats people keep bragging about will be safe? Lol. Here is what will happen:

1. Republicans will lose their choke hold on the house - I'd say anywhere from 20-30 seats.
2. Democrats will remain in control of Senate.
3. A Democrat will be elected President in 2016 after it's pointed out that the current GOP congressmen tried to shut down government because they didn't like a bill that was CONSTITUTIONALLY passed by Congress and signed by a legally elected president.

Who do you think is going to want to be at the forefront of the cluster bomb that is the 2016 GOP Presidential election? You think any GOP congressman is going to want to take responsibility for holding the paychecks of millions of US employees hostage? You think any GOP member is going to walk up and say "Hey, I helped shut down Yosemite because I didn't like some healthcare legislation?" - Lol. Get outtahurr.
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Your just dreaming. This will be a non issue in 2014 and 2016 and wont cost the republicans a single seat. Gingrich didn't lose the House and neither will Boehner. This whole thing is just liberal hyperventilation.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
I think this will be forgotten about next year honestly. It really will. There are many issues that will arise between now and then. Our society can't remember what happened last week bro.
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What happened after Republicans shut down government in 1995? Clinton won by a landslide (379 electoral votes). Obama isn't up for re-election next year. So the immediate effects of this issue will be felt in the 2014 rep. election.
 
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Fletch said:
Your just dreaming. This will be a non issue in 2014 and 2016 and wont cost the republicans a single seat. Gingrich didn't lose the House and neither will Boehner. This whole thing is just liberal hyperventilation.
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not if the media keeps the fact this happened alive and repeat it from now until election day.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
I think this will be forgotten about next year honestly. It really will. There are many issues that will arise between now and then. Our society can't remember what happened last week bro.
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That depends on whether it really affects the average American in some way. If it doesn't, Democrats were right not to negotiate because it was no big deal to have the government shut down. If it does, Democrats were right not to negotiate because no one should give in to these kinds of threats. This is a win - win for Democrats all the way around.
 
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Fletch said:
Your just dreaming. This will be a non issue in 2014 and 2016 and wont cost the republicans a single seat. Gingrich didn't lose the House and neither will Boehner. This whole thing is just liberal hyperventilation.
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Sure, they GOP only lost the presidential election in 1996 by... what? 200 electoral college votes?
 
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trfjr said:
it took a war to repeal one of those laws. its that a legislative process?
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I for one am all for it!! Because Republicans would lose that war in a heart beat.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
not if the media keeps the fact this happened alive and repeat it from now until election day.
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So you are relying upon the left wing media to keep a non story alive for two years, Good luck with that.
 
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Hatuey said:
Sure, they GOP only lost the presidential election in 1996 by... what? 200 electoral college votes?
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And Bob Dole would have won by how many votes had the government not been shut down? Get a hold of yourself.
 
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Fletch said:
And Bob Dole would have won by how many votes had the government not been shut down? Get a hold of yourself.
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The wonderful thing is, there is nothing but Bob Doles in the GOP as far as the eye can see from now on.
 
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Fletch said:
And Bob Dole would have won by how many votes had the government not been shut down? Get a hold of yourself.
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As early as February 1996, Bob Dole was within 10% points of Bill Clinton. By late 1996, he had lost by 200 electoral votes. To what would you attribute that? Bob Dole being a weak candidate? Or the fact that Republicans had been playing chicken with the government all throughout 1995?
 
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Hatuey said:
Okay - are you reading what I said? I said it's actually nothing to write about. She won in a district that was Republican before and has swung back and forth. Do you understand what "nothing to write home about" means?
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Ok, I see your feeble point, I glossed the names. So, tell me, what's the significance of losing 60 seats in the house?
 
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Hatuey said:
Sure, they GOP only lost the presidential election in 1996 by... what? 200 electoral college votes?
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you will have to go back over 20 year before you can find an incumbent president lose a reelection Clintons win had nothing to do with the shut down
 
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mac said:
Ok, I see your feeble point, I glossed the names.
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Nah, you get to squirm yourself out of this one. May I suggest you get this book?

Reading Comprehension: Strategies for Independent Learners - Camille L. Z. Blachowicz, Donna Ogle - Google Books

It'll help you with your problem. As per the second part of your post: I already stated it: Republicans won mostly in weak Democrats districts that had been Republicans before. They also had a few victories in 4-5 historically Democrat places. In essence, the 2010 election was a return to the normality established in the 90s and only disrupted by the 2006-2008 elections.
 
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Hatuey said:
Nah, you get to squirm yourself out of this one. May I suggest you get this book?

Reading Comprehension: Strategies for Independent Learners - Camille L. Z. Blachowicz, Donna Ogle - Google Books

It'll help you with your problem. As per the second part of your post: I already stated it: Republicans won mostly in weak Democrats districts that had been Republicans before. They also had a few victories in 4-5 historically Democrat places. In essence, the 2010 election was a return to the normality established in the 90s and only disrupted by the 2006-2008 elections.
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The normality is a Dem dominated congress, historically speaking, and after obamacare, the Dems lost 60 seats...why? Further, it wasn't just Republicans that were elected, but Tea Party Republicans, expressly to hamper Obama.

Even further, they weren't primarily Republican districts, they were primarily swing districts with a history of wavering back and forth between parties.
 
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Hatuey said:
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Dear beloved, we gather here today to mourn (or celebrate) the death of the Tea Party Movement. Begun as a direct response to Obama's election, these savages have ensured that they don't get their way and nobody else does either. Also, let us take a moment to remember that they have, in their selfish way, irreparably harmed the Republican party. It will take Republicans years to recover from this. However, I am sure that after they lose the house in 2016, they'll return to their senses. Let us pray that St. Palin and St. Bachman will chime in this discussion and make it all worse for an already moribund Republican party.
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Don't knock the Tea Party movement, at least don't knock what it ORIGINALLY was. In the beginning, the Tea Party was a grass roots uprising against government overreach. Unfortunately, what began as an honest criticism of government gone amok was hijacked by corporate special interests, and the Tea Party you see today bears little resemblance to the original. However, once upon a time, the Tea Party was an honest vehicle of the rage Americans felt against the political machine and usurpations of our freedoms.
 
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danarhea said:
Don't knock the Tea Party movement, at least don't knock what it ORIGINALLY was. In the beginning, the Tea Party was a grass roots uprising against government overreach. Unfortunately, what began as an honest criticism of government gone amok was hijacked by corporate special interests, and the Tea Party you see today bears little resemblance to the original. However, once upon a time, the Tea Party was an honest vehicle of the rage Americans felt against the political machine and usurpations of our freedoms.
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Except that their main focus, Obamacare, is a prime example of government overreach.
 
Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

Hatuey said:
What happened after Republicans shut down government in 1995? Clinton won by a landslide (379 electoral votes). Obama isn't up for re-election next year. So the immediate effects of this issue will be felt in the 2014 rep. election.
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We shall see.
 
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mac said:
Except that their main focus, Obamacare, is a prime example of government overreach.
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Except that it's the law, passed by the people's representatives and except that the House Republican have tried unsuccessfully over 100 time to repeal it, but they don't have the votes.

Except for that, you're right.
 
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danarhea said:
Don't knock the Tea Party movement, at least don't knock what it ORIGINALLY was. In the beginning, the Tea Party was a grass roots uprising against government overreach. Unfortunately, what began as an honest criticism of government gone amok was hijacked by corporate special interests, and the Tea Party you see today bears little resemblance to the original. However, once upon a time, the Tea Party was an honest vehicle of the rage Americans felt against the political machine and usurpations of our freedoms.
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Nonsense. It was and continues to be a group of intolerant knownothings who attract freaks like Palin as leaders. At heart it really is racially motivated -- when they talk about "taking back" the country, they mean from nonwhite people. But leaving their crypto racism aside, their subliteracy, ignorance, xenophobia, scapegoating and inability to think beyond the talking points the Koch Brothers feed them is part and parcel of knownothing movements that have afflicted the US since the 1840s. Thankfully, they are always defeated by the better nature of Americans. And they will be defeated in their most recent attack on the US government.
 
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danarhea said:
Don't knock the Tea Party movement, at least don't knock what it ORIGINALLY was. In the beginning, the Tea Party was a grass roots uprising against government overreach. Unfortunately, what began as an honest criticism of government gone amok was hijacked by corporate special interests, and the Tea Party you see today bears little resemblance to the original. However, once upon a time, the Tea Party was an honest vehicle of the rage Americans felt against the political machine and usurpations of our freedoms.
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Very true.
 
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head of joaquin said:
Nonsense. It was and continues to be a group of intolerant knownothings who attract freaks like Palin as leaders. At heart it really is racially motivated -- when they talk about "taking back" the country, they mean from nonwhite people. But leaving their crypto racism aside, their subliteracy, ignorance, xenophobia, scapegoating and inability to think beyond the talking points the Koch Brothers feed them is part and parcel of knownothing movements that have afflicted the US since the 1840s. Thankfully, they are always defeated by the better nature of Americans. And they will be defeated in their most recent attack on the US government.
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No... I read about it starting under libertarian principles that were rather sensible. Then an original founder soon told the Tea Party to go to hell because it basically became a nonstop Koch Brother funded fiasco of bull****.
 
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Fletch said:
Oh, the liberal cry babies are out in force, aren't they. It must be horribly pathetic to get so emotionally traumatized by such a non event as this. Hey liberals, clean your diapers and get a hold of yourselves. The government is closed, the sky isn't falling. You can all survive this, I promise. In fact, a day or two without your daddy holding your hand through life might actually do you some good.
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LOL....man you have it all wrong. I'm actually elated that the GOP was stupid enough to pull such a stunt. It just further cements in the minds of the voting public how extreme and what a joke the GOP has become. Overwhelming majority of the public are against the GOP on this issue. The Teabaggers are helping usher in the destruction of the Republican party and I am loving every minute of it.
 
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