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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Nobody has the goal of making Obamadon'tcare any better. Obama said so, as he says he won't negotiate it.
    No he didn't....that is BS. As for negotiating....negotiate what? There is nothing to negotiate. The ACA was passed by both houses of Congress, signed into law and has been upheld by the United State Supreme Court. Why would anyone negotiate with extortionists?
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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    there are plenty of democrats still in the house of representatives. and they have the ability to pass a clean continuing resolution to fund the government, end this shutdown, and without having to pass any poison pill amendments targeting the affordable care act, and Boehner or the republican house leadership would be unable to prevent it coming to a vote.

    the answer is a Discharge petition.
    Yes, that's why Discharge Petitions are used frequently...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The democrats are not powerless in the house of congress. they have the ability to gather signatures for a discharge petition and force a vote on a clean continuing resolution bill.
    nah.. they are powerless... it's evident in the lefty/democratic narratives.

    they have no responsibility, no accountability, no power.... it's like they don't even exist.

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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Yes, that's why Discharge Petitions are used frequently...
    their only used when extreme cases of partisan gridlock: like when the leadership of the party in charge of the house prevent legeslation from coming up for a vote.

    it has been done before, and i believe it was used to pass a bill supported by the NRA.

    The discharge petition’s role in the immigration reform debate, explained

    In 1986, after Peter W. Rodino, the Democratic congressman from New Jersey, who was then the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said he wouldn’t consider a gun-rights bill the Senate had passed with a large bipartisan majority, the National Rifle Association decided to go for an end-run around the chamber’s leadership.

    After the Senate passed comprehensive immigration reform legislation Thursday, supporters of the bill are in a similar situation. Now, some on the left are suggesting that Democrats in the House do what the NRA did then: Gather signatures for what is known as a discharge petition.

    The discharge petition allows an absolute majority of the House of Representatives (218 lawmakers) to force a floor vote on a bill, even if the leadership, who usually controls what legislation makes it to the floor, is opposed. The opposition party can, in theory, use the technique to hijack the legislative agenda on an issue that divides the majority.

    The NRA’s tactic worked back in the 80s. The bill passed the House 292 to 130, significantly weakening the 1968 Gun Control Act by requiring evidence of “willful” violations in prosecutions of gun dealers, among other provisions.

    A discharge petition succeeded again in 2002, forcing a vote in the House on the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform legislation. (McCain-Feingold, of course, was partially struck down by the Supreme Court in the Citizens United case in 2010.)

    But these are the only two examples of successful discharge petitions on major legislation in recent history. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) threatened to bring a discharge petition this winter during the fiscal cliff negotiation, but never made good on the threat.
    all you need is 218 signatures

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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No he didn't....that is BS. As for negotiating....negotiate what? There is nothing to negotiate. The ACA was passed by both houses of Congress, signed into law and has been upheld by the United State Supreme Court. Why would anyone negotiate with extortionists?
    so unpopular laws should have never bee repealed. I guess you are for slavery and segregating because they where laws at one time also

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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because the goal of the teabaggers is not to honestly work towards making the ACA better. Their goal is to destroy it. It is never prudent to "negotiate" with extortionists.
    Right, right. And the goal of the Democrats is to get poor people free healthcare...
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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. They took Obamas and the IRS's best illegal shot and they are still ticking like a windup clock.
    So Obama is to blame for the fact that their numbers have been dwindling for years?

    Where are all those Dem's that lost their seats in the House from 2010 because of the Tea Party? Bachman didn't lose hers.
    She may as well have. She won by a full percentage point in district that's been Republican more often than it has been Democrat.

    So Michelle Bachmann is being reelected in a district that has been mostly Republican for.... 50 years. Big deal. Where will she be in 2016? As I said - not seeking reelection.

    Palin and Beck never had one. But those Dem's still can't be found these days.
    Minnesota 6th Congressional District 2012 [14]
    Party Candidate Votes Percentage
    Republican Michele Bachmann (Incumbent) 179,240 50.47%
    DFL Jim Graves 174,944 49.26%

    Write-In Others 969 0.27%
    Totals 355,153 100.0%

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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No he didn't....that is BS. As for negotiating....negotiate what? There is nothing to negotiate. The ACA was passed by both houses of Congress, signed into law and has been upheld by the United State Supreme Court. Why would anyone negotiate with extortionists?
    With Obama refusing to even talk with the House about the disaster Obamadon'tcare it is impossible to make it better. Now maybe he told another one of his lies and will negotiate but he is on record at refusing to do just that.
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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    their only used when extreme cases of partisan gridlock: like when the leadership of the party in charge of the house prevent legeslation from coming up for a vote.

    it has been done before, and i believe it was used to pass a bill supported by the NRA.

    The discharge petition’s role in the immigration reform debate, explained



    all you need is 218 signatures
    I understand this, but good luck finding support from Repubs to get a majority. It is basically use only when the majority wants to cede power to the minority in rare instances...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    She may as well have. She won by a full percentage point in district that's been Republican more often than it has been Democrat.
    Scott Brown took Teddy's seat...
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