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Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy[W:200]

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Paschendale said:
That "rammed it down our throats" line never ceases to amuse. It was "rammed down our throats" by compromising the original plan to more align with right wing ideas, including basically replacing it with Romney's program in Massachusetts, and then passed by the democratically elected majority in both chambers of congress, then signed by the democratically elected president, and then upheld by the constitutionally empowered supreme court when challenged through the lawful channels available to detractors. When polled, the majority of Americans support the provisions of the law. At this point, "rammed down our throats" means whatever you don't like.
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Did you ever come up with that poll that proves that the people really wanted single payer vice Obamacare?
 
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Paschendale said:
That "rammed it down our throats" line never ceases to amuse. It was "rammed down our throats" by compromising the original plan to more align with right wing ideas, including basically replacing it with Romney's program in Massachusetts, and then passed by the democratically elected majority in both chambers of congress, then signed by the democratically elected president, and then upheld by the constitutionally empowered supreme court when challenged through the lawful channels available to detractors. When polled, the majority of Americans support the provisions of the law. At this point, "rammed down our throats" means whatever you don't like.
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Bingo......but you can't debate the wackos with facts......
 
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head of joaquin said:
Except that it's the law, passed by the people's representatives and except that the House Republican have tried unsuccessfully over 100 time to repeal it, but they don't have the votes.

Except for that, you're right.
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Uh-huh. Prohibition was the law too....and untold other's that have gone the way of the Dodo.
 
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greengirl77 said:
No they want to shut down the government that has been their plan. I hope you are not speaking of a conferance comitte which is what Republicans are pushing now? Really because it has nothing to do with raising the debt ceiling for money already approved. This shut down was a direct cause of the Teaailban wanting ACA repealed. Now they had their bluff called and they are scambling. Democrats have never refused that. Actually in April they passed a budget commitee that Republicans refused to do. So now they want that is very laughable. There needs to be a clean CR which is what America, Democrats, and the president wants. Period end of file no more hostage taking of the American credit.

GOP blocks Reid from creating conference committee on budget - The Hill's On The Money
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America also wants ACA repealed.... :shrug:
 
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Deuce said:
The American people seem to disagree, for the most part.
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Because of the way the media is covering it and the President lies about it. Of course that's what they think.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
LOL....calling conservatives....and "progressives"....that adopt the concept of financial responsibility..."TOTALITARIANS".....is not hyperbolic name calling...at all.

Sure......

wow.
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No, it's not.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Show me one Republican that campaigned on shutting down the Government.

The Democrats shutdown the Government by the unwillingness to compromise, and their unwillingness to put forth a budget.
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Ted Cruz has been campaigning to shut down the government since last March and had absolutely no intention of ever compromising or negotiating a budget deal with the Democrats.....


March 16, 2013

".....Senator Ted Cruz pointed out that if the Senate ends up making any changes to the continuing resolution, they’d have to send it back to the House, and when they do, the GOP should add an amendment like his that would defund Obamacare. That way, the President and the Democrat-controlled Senate are left with the option to either defund Obamacare or let the government shut down. Their choice...."

Senator Ted Cruz: Defund Obamacare or Shut Down Government


It's his "srategy" doncha know? A strategy that most moderate republicans find repulsive and could damage the GOP for the next ten or fifteen years at least. Whaddya want to bet they turn on him and let him hang himself?

BOR: Mitt Romney Criticizes Ted Cruz's Government Shutdown Threat


Nope, Democrats aren't to blame for the shutting down the government....but Ted Cruz and his cohorts sure as hell are.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
America also wants ACA repealed.... :shrug:
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Yes and no. Remember the Senate has kept it's majority as well so if Americans wanted ACA repealed, they would have given control to the Republicans in the Senate and the Dems would have lost all their seats in the House as well that were up for re-election.

The Dems are following what THEIR constituents want as well even though I don't agree with ACA.

Personally, with all the hype, this is one bill I wish we could have everyone have a direct vote on to settle what "the people" want once and for all with this.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Because of the way the media is covering it and the President lies about it. Of course that's what they think.
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With FNC being the most watched news channel, the internet, radio, etc. You can't blame the "liberal" media on this one. There are plenty of sources out there for people. If you want to blame someone, it's the people that are at fault, not the media.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes and no. Remember the Senate has kept it's majority as well so if Americans wanted ACA repealed, they would have given control to the Republicans in the Senate and the Dems would have lost all their seats in the House as well that were up for re-election.

The Dems are following what THEIR constituents want as well even though I don't agree with ACA.

Personally, with all the hype, this is one bill I wish we could have everyone have a direct vote on to settle what "the people" want once and for all with this.
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It is idiotic to think that just because a person got elected means the country elected them to keep a certain bill in place.
 
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TheNextEra said:
With FNC being the most watched news channel, the internet, radio, etc. You can't blame the "liberal" media on this one. There are plenty of sources out there for people. If you want to blame someone, it's the people that are at fault, not the media.
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:roll: That's assuming that most people get their news from watching news channels.
 
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I suspect that about 70 percent of Americans don't give a crap about any of this.
 
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Hatuey said:
So - just for reference, what's the end game? Government is shut down - fine: Then what? ObamaCare is still going through. People are opposed to the GOP orchestrated shut down and there will be hell to pay next election. You think those 60 seats people keep bragging about will be safe? Lol. Here is what will happen:

1. Republicans will lose their choke hold on the house - I'd say anywhere from 20-30 seats.
2. Democrats will remain in control of Senate.
3. A Democrat will be elected President in 2016 after it's pointed out that the current GOP congressmen tried to shut down government because they didn't like a bill that was CONSTITUTIONALLY passed by Congress and signed by a legally elected president.

Who do you think is going to want to be at the forefront of the cluster bomb that is the 2016 GOP Presidential election? You think any GOP congressman is going to want to take responsibility for holding the paychecks of millions of US employees hostage? You think any GOP member is going to walk up and say "Hey, I helped shut down Yosemite because I didn't like some healthcare legislation?" - Lol. Get outtahurr.
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Erod said:
I suspect that about 70 percent of Americans don't give a crap about any of this.
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That's probably a good guess.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
It is idiotic to think that just because a person got elected means the country elected them to keep a certain bill in place.
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Yet, that is what the GOP is saying to support THEIR claim that people don't want the ACA. Their saying since they have control of the house the people want ACA gone because they were elected. So you can't have it both ways there. Either an election says what people want or it doesn't. Take you pick.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
:roll: That's assuming that most people get their news from watching news channels.
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Again, I listed MULTIPLE sources for alternative views. They are out there, so if people STILL choose to act one way, it isn't because of "liberal" media, it's because of the people. Blaming the media is a lame excuse.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yet, that is what the GOP is saying to support THEIR claim that people don't want the ACA. Their saying since they have control of the house the people want ACA gone because they were elected. So you can't have it both ways there. Either an election says what people want or it doesn't. Take you pick.
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No, they are saying that because that is what ALL of the polls are saying that an overwhelming majority of Americans do not want the ACA.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
No, they are saying that because that is what ALL of the polls are saying that an overwhelming majority of Americans do not want the ACA.
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The only polls that matter are the ones on election day. Following any other poll as Gospel is not very wise IMO.
 
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I wasn't aware that the shut down was GOP strategy. Looks more like DNC strategy to me. The ACA sucks. If that is the best they can come up with regarding health care in this country, we're better off without it and them. The roll out of Obamacare reminds me of the roll out of the Edsel.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The only polls that matter are the ones on election day. Following any other poll as Gospel is not very wise IMO.
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When all other polls, even the ones from organizations who want ACA show that the country doesn't want it, that should tell you something. And if you didn't know, the country didn't vote on the ACA so how would election day matter for that?
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
When all other polls, even the ones from organizations who want ACA show that the country doesn't want it, that should tell you something. And if you didn't know, the country didn't vote on the ACA so how would election day matter for that?
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People voted for Dems that wanted ACA though. So yeah, if people didn't want it, they would have voted all ACA supporters out.
 
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TheNextEra said:
People voted for Dems that wanted ACA though. So yeah, if people didn't want it, they would have voted all ACA supporters out.
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There are people I have voted for that I don't agree with on certain issues, but that doesn't mean I don't vote for them due to that one issue, that also doesn't mean I support that one issue.
 
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humbolt said:
I wasn't aware that the shut down was GOP strategy. Looks more like DNC strategy to me. The ACA sucks. If that is the best they can come up with regarding health care in this country, we're better off without it and them. The roll out of Obamacare reminds me of the roll out of the Edsel.
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Greetings, humbolt! :2wave:

What a cool analogy! And so apt, too! :lamo: The DNC may have misjudged on this one, since the Repubs now appear to be the ones looking out for the little guy, by attempting to get them a year's delay...which Obama would not agree to, BTW... versus Obama who seems more interested in business by already granting them a year's delay! :cool:
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, humbolt! :2wave:

What a cool analogy! And so apt, too! :lamo: The DNC may have misjudged on this one, since the Repubs now appear to be the ones looking out for the little guy, by attempting to get them a year's delay...which Obama would not agree to, BTW... versus Obama who seems more interested in business by already granting them a year's delay! :cool:
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It does look as if there may have been a miscalculation by the left. That Obamacare isn't ready for prime time is obvious. The administration is constrained by the election time table and find themselves forced to get as many signed up for an incomplete and unfinished program as possible or watch it die on the vine. I think they're damned either way, regardless of the shut down flap and who is perceived to have come out on top in the short term. How's your leg progressing, BTW?
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
There are people I have voted for that I don't agree with on certain issues, but that doesn't mean I don't vote for them due to that one issue, that also doesn't mean I support that one issue.
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You are acting as though the legislative process has become obsolete with the election and re-election of Obama. Now that things didn't work out the way you and your ideology wanted, long standing legislative processes are to be thrown out the window.

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