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Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy[W:200]

Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

You're making yourself feel way too important by calling the Tea Party "alive" and "stronger than ever". That's simply not true. Where is Michelle Bachmann now? Not seeking re-election. Where is Sarah Palin? Getting shows cancelled on TLC. Where is Beck? Who knows - probably blaming Jews fo something. Where are John Boehner's approval ratings? So low underground most people in his state don't even like him. Where is Marco Rubio today? Same place as Milly Vanilly. Nobody knows.

With that said:

Where are the demonstrations with 50,000 people these days?
Where are the Midwest seats in the Tea Party? Where are the Washington seats? Where are the North East seats?

The Tea Party can basically be summarized as the "Texas Party". They've got 2-3 other states behind them but in reality, they haven't expanded. If anything, they've basically taken over Republican seats by using Republican money and Republican representatives. Your delusions of a growing movement are just that. Delusions. They're stagnant and dying for the most part.

LOL. They took Obamas and the IRS's best illegal shot and they are still ticking like a windup clock.

Where are all those Dem's that lost their seats in the House from 2010 because of the Tea Party? Bachman didn't lose hers. Palin and Beck never had one. But those Dem's still can't be found these days.
 
Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

Because the goal of the teabaggers is not to honestly work towards making the ACA better. Their goal is to destroy it. It is never prudent to "negotiate" with extortionists.

Nobody has the goal of making Obamadon'tcare any better. Obama said so, as he says he won't negotiate it.
 
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Bible thumping, bigots, racist, that have called the President every name in the book other than an American! WE shall see how long those votes last! Because more than a few moderates are sick of them. Oh and Cruz isnt smart enoug to understand a childs book and he lies.
Yes, all of us are bigots and racist. All of us called the POTUS every name in the book. You're right.:roll:
 
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LOL. They took Obamas and the IRS's best illegal shot and they are still ticking like a windup clock.

Where are all those Dem's that lost their seats in the House from 2010 because of the Tea Party? Bachman didn't lose hers. Palin and Beck never had one. But those Dem's still can't be found these days.

there are plenty of democrats still in the house of representatives. and they have the ability to pass a clean continuing resolution to fund the government, end this shutdown, and without having to pass any poison pill amendments targeting the affordable care act, and Boehner or the republican house leadership would be unable to prevent it coming to a vote.

the answer is a Discharge petition.
 
Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

You're making yourself feel way too important by calling the Tea Party "alive" and "stronger than ever". That's simply not true. Where is Michelle Bachmann now? Not seeking re-election. Where is Sarah Palin? Getting shows cancelled on TLC. Where is Beck? Who knows - probably blaming Jews fo something. Where are John Boehner's approval ratings? So low underground most people in his state don't even like him. Where is Marco Rubio today? Same place as Milly Vanilly. Nobody knows.

With that said:

Where are the demonstrations with 50,000 people these days?
Where are the Midwest seats in the Tea Party? Where are the Washington seats? Where are the North East seats?

The Tea Party can basically be summarized as the "Texas Party". They've got 2-3 other states behind them but in reality, they haven't expanded. If anything, they've basically taken over Republican seats by using Republican money and Republican representatives. Your delusions of a growing movement are just that. Delusions. They're stagnant and dying for the most part.

They seem to be imposing their will as we speak. Would you disagree with that?
In addition, it isn't just Texas and 2-3 other states. There are 36 states with an elected official who is a member or was supported by the Tea Party.
 
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Nobody has the goal of making Obamadon'tcare any better. Obama said so, as he says he won't negotiate it.

No he didn't....that is BS. As for negotiating....negotiate what? There is nothing to negotiate. The ACA was passed by both houses of Congress, signed into law and has been upheld by the United State Supreme Court. Why would anyone negotiate with extortionists?
 
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there are plenty of democrats still in the house of representatives. and they have the ability to pass a clean continuing resolution to fund the government, end this shutdown, and without having to pass any poison pill amendments targeting the affordable care act, and Boehner or the republican house leadership would be unable to prevent it coming to a vote.

the answer is a Discharge petition.

Yes, that's why Discharge Petitions are used frequently... :roll:
 
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The democrats are not powerless in the house of congress. they have the ability to gather signatures for a discharge petition and force a vote on a clean continuing resolution bill.

nah.. they are powerless... it's evident in the lefty/democratic narratives.

they have no responsibility, no accountability, no power.... it's like they don't even exist.
 
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Yes, that's why Discharge Petitions are used frequently... :roll:

their only used when extreme cases of partisan gridlock: like when the leadership of the party in charge of the house prevent legeslation from coming up for a vote.

it has been done before, and i believe it was used to pass a bill supported by the NRA.

The discharge petition’s role in the immigration reform debate, explained

In 1986, after Peter W. Rodino, the Democratic congressman from New Jersey, who was then the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said he wouldn’t consider a gun-rights bill the Senate had passed with a large bipartisan majority, the National Rifle Association decided to go for an end-run around the chamber’s leadership.

After the Senate passed comprehensive immigration reform legislation Thursday, supporters of the bill are in a similar situation. Now, some on the left are suggesting that Democrats in the House do what the NRA did then: Gather signatures for what is known as a discharge petition.

The discharge petition allows an absolute majority of the House of Representatives (218 lawmakers) to force a floor vote on a bill, even if the leadership, who usually controls what legislation makes it to the floor, is opposed. The opposition party can, in theory, use the technique to hijack the legislative agenda on an issue that divides the majority.

The NRA’s tactic worked back in the 80s. The bill passed the House 292 to 130, significantly weakening the 1968 Gun Control Act by requiring evidence of “willful” violations in prosecutions of gun dealers, among other provisions.

A discharge petition succeeded again in 2002, forcing a vote in the House on the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform legislation. (McCain-Feingold, of course, was partially struck down by the Supreme Court in the Citizens United case in 2010.)

But these are the only two examples of successful discharge petitions on major legislation in recent history. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) threatened to bring a discharge petition this winter during the fiscal cliff negotiation, but never made good on the threat.

all you need is 218 signatures
 
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No he didn't....that is BS. As for negotiating....negotiate what? There is nothing to negotiate. The ACA was passed by both houses of Congress, signed into law and has been upheld by the United State Supreme Court. Why would anyone negotiate with extortionists?

so unpopular laws should have never bee repealed. I guess you are for slavery and segregating because they where laws at one time also
 
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Because the goal of the teabaggers is not to honestly work towards making the ACA better. Their goal is to destroy it. It is never prudent to "negotiate" with extortionists.

Right, right. And the goal of the Democrats is to get poor people free healthcare...
 
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LOL. They took Obamas and the IRS's best illegal shot and they are still ticking like a windup clock.

So Obama is to blame for the fact that their numbers have been dwindling for years?

Where are all those Dem's that lost their seats in the House from 2010 because of the Tea Party? Bachman didn't lose hers.

She may as well have. She won by a full percentage point in district that's been Republican more often than it has been Democrat.

So Michelle Bachmann is being reelected in a district that has been mostly Republican for.... 50 years. Big deal. Where will she be in 2016? As I said - not seeking reelection.

Palin and Beck never had one. But those Dem's still can't be found these days.

Minnesota 6th Congressional District 2012 [14]
Party Candidate Votes Percentage
Republican Michele Bachmann (Incumbent) 179,240 50.47%
DFL Jim Graves 174,944 49.26%

Write-In Others 969 0.27%
Totals 355,153 100.0%

The strength of the Tea Party: Winning districts that are already Republican.
 
Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

No he didn't....that is BS. As for negotiating....negotiate what? There is nothing to negotiate. The ACA was passed by both houses of Congress, signed into law and has been upheld by the United State Supreme Court. Why would anyone negotiate with extortionists?

With Obama refusing to even talk with the House about the disaster Obamadon'tcare it is impossible to make it better. Now maybe he told another one of his lies and will negotiate but he is on record at refusing to do just that.
 
Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

their only used when extreme cases of partisan gridlock: like when the leadership of the party in charge of the house prevent legeslation from coming up for a vote.

it has been done before, and i believe it was used to pass a bill supported by the NRA.

The discharge petition’s role in the immigration reform debate, explained



all you need is 218 signatures

I understand this, but good luck finding support from Repubs to get a majority. It is basically use only when the majority wants to cede power to the minority in rare instances...
 
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She may as well have. She won by a full percentage point in district that's been Republican more often than it has been Democrat.

Scott Brown took Teddy's seat...
 
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Yes, that's why Discharge Petitions are used frequently... :roll:

well, Democrats might be able to attempt a discharge petition.... after a "clean" ( whatever the hell that means) CR sits in committee for at least 30 days... and if they have a majority vote in the house to bring it out of committee... and they have a majority to pass the bill once the vote is held..

the only thing that actually have shot at doing is waiting 30 days... they don't have a majority anywhere to pull a bill out of committee or to actually pass the bill.
they would have to compromise with Republicans to get it done... and we all know that isn't happening.

my guess is that they will find every available camera they can get their hands on and whine about the all powerful GOP... and further inform America that it's actually the GOP that runs the show.
 
Re: Poll: Americans reject GOP shutdown strategy

I understand this, but good luck finding support from Repubs to get a majority. It is basically use only when the majority wants to cede power to the minority in rare instances...

some of the votes are there. consider the Republicans who voted against their party's continuing resolution bills, or have spoken out againsit their parties extreme tactics.

The signatures are almost there. The House is composed of 200 Democrats, who would likely get behind the petition if someone started organizing. Then they’d only need to find 18 Republican allies to make it happen. Most likely, they could rely on some of the Republicans who voted against at least one of their party’s sham funding bill on the floor on Monday: Reps. Charlie Dent (R-PA), Peter King (R-NY), Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL), Chris Gibson (R-NY), Richard Hanna (R-NY), and Scott Rigell (R-VA) were the six who voted against it because it was too extreme.

And additional five Reps. Patrick Meehan (R-PA, Mike Fitzpatrick (R-PA), Jon Runyan (R-NJ), Devin Nunes (R-CA), Frank Wolf (R-VA) have, since the shutdown began, come out in favor of a clean bill. Another two Representatives — Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ) and Reid Ribble (R-WI) — have hinted that they might be, as well, bringing the count of Republicans to 13.

How Lawmakers Can Get The Government Funded Again | ThinkProgress
 
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So Obama is to blame for the fact that their numbers have been dwindling for years?



She may as well have. She won by a full percentage point in district that's been Republican more often than it has been Democrat.

So Michelle Bachmann is being reelected in a district that has been mostly Republican for.... 50 years. Big deal. Where will she be in 2016? As I said - not seeking reelection.



Minnesota 6th Congressional District 2012 [14]
Party Candidate Votes Percentage
Republican Michele Bachmann (Incumbent) 179,240 50.47%
DFL Jim Graves 174,944 49.26%

Write-In Others 969 0.27%
Totals 355,153 100.0%

The strength of the Tea Party: Winning districts that are already Republican.

Once again, where are all those Dems that lost in 2010 because of the Tea Party? They are not back in the House because of, well, the Tea Party.

Have Obama illegally sic the IRS on you for being whatever. What's your next move? The Tea Party took an illegal one on the chin but they are still around and still having a major impact. That's a lot more than can be said about all those Dems that lost their jobs in the House because of them.
 
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They seem to be imposing their will as we speak.

If their will was to shut down the US government, you'd have a point. As they want to gut Obamacare, not really. It's not going to happen. A government shutdown does not mean what you think it means.

Is their "will" to shut down national parks, museums and zoos? Nope? Oh, they're closed anyways.
Is their "will" to shut down the IRS? Nope. Taxes will still be collected.
Is their will to shut down Obamacare? Oh, alright, it's still being implemented as we speak.
Is their will to shut down gun sales? Oh, alright because gun permits don't get processed without a functioning government.
Is their will to hurt small businesses? Oh alright, because small business owners can't get loans from government.

In essence, Republicans haven't done anything but shut down cultural institutions, hurt gun owners and small businesses. ObamaCare is still being implemented, the IRS is still collecting taxes. So what have they accomplished? Well, they've made it harder to get a gun, a loan and have subsequently arranged it so people can't even go camping.
 
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Once again, where are all those Dems that lost in 2010 because of the Tea Party?

You keep bringing this up as if it wasn't a fact that Democrats lost some weak seats in contested districts that swing back and forth. Why?
 
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Scott Brown took Teddy's seat...

Who took his seat after? I'll give you a clue - it wasn't a Tea Party member.
 
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Who took his seat after? I'll give you a clue - it wasn't a Tea Party member.

Doesn't matter. Your point is demonstrably flawed. These things happen, i'll give you a clue, they're called anomalies.
 
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If their will was to shut down the US government, you'd have a point. As they want to gut Obamacare, not really. It's not going to happen. A government shutdown does not mean what you think it means.

Is their "will" to shut down national parks, museums and zoos? Nope? Oh, they're closed anyways.
Is their "will" to shut down the IRS? Nope. Taxes will still be collected.
Is their will to shut down Obamacare? Oh, alright, it's still being implemented as we speak.
Is their will to shut down gun sales? Oh, alright because gun permits don't get processed without a functioning government.
Is their will to hurt small businesses? Oh alright, because small business owners can't get loans from government.

In essence, Republicans haven't done anything but shut down cultural institutions, hurt gun owners and small businesses. ObamaCare is still being implemented, the IRS is still collecting taxes. So what have they accomplished? Well, they've made it harder to get a gun, a loan and have subsequently arranged it so people can't even go camping.
No, it's their will to at least delay the individual mandate of Obamacare. Along with other provisions that aren't getting the same attention as that one. I agree, they aren't getting it. However, I believe their view is that the Dems aren't getting what they want either.
Are they going about it the right way? I don't believe so. I believe they should have drawn the line that they will drop the Obamacare provision if they got every other provision they asked for. Seeing as how the Obamacare portion of their terms is getting the most press, doing that would have forced the Senate to sign whatever they put in front of them. It also would have given those that ran on the platform of repealing Obamacare a little leeway because they could have claimed they were looking out for America by dropping that portion of their deal. But, that's just me. Saying that I believe the Tea Party is still viable and agreeing with what they are doing, in this case, are two different things.
 
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Yes, all of us are bigots and racist. All of us called the POTUS every name in the book. You're right.:roll:

Are you really trying to say that never happened ??? Becausae there is plenty of proof of just that. It one thing to say yeah it happened. But another to totally deny it.

Yeah a guy over in Germany convinced some people that the poor, sick, hungry, and a different religion was the cause of their problems and we see how well that worked out in the 1940. I guess you and your teaailban will deny that to.

I am still waiting to see a legit platform the Teabaggers run on because the Constitution doesnt cut it! because the baggers have ignored that.


Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
 
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