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Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

Mithros said:
Yet? I didn't know that was my job, but I did manage to show that not raising the debt ceiling will make the debt impossible to pay off. I'd think that sufficient to answer you question.

Even though the amount of debt has exploded, the low interest rates has kept the cost of servicing the debt very low. But those interest rates will go up substantially if we default. This will exponentially increase the cost to service the debt.

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Even now, the ludicrously childish House Tea Partiers are making it more expensive to borrow money. The net effect is an INCREASE in government spending.
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Of course they want to waste more money that is how they plan on destroying America and recreating it in the billionaires image. A country of Serfs and Lords.
 
Conservative said:
The thing that makes sense is Congress should always be forced into programs they create and live under all the same rules and regulations that apply to the rest of us.
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This again shows the lack of understanding, Congressional employees already have employer provided insurance, the PPACA is not mandating that other employee provided insurance be ended....so no, it was not a provision "we all have to live with".....it is the opposite.
 
apdst said:
Of course it's a right. The Libbos actually pay people to be irresponsible.
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Remind me.....how is this an argument against a law to get people to buy insurance?
 
Conservative said:
Who is denying millions coverage? where in the hell do you get your information and what is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty and ignorance?
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Are you denying that there are millions of Americans without healthcare coverage or that the AHC act was written to address that problem?
 
ItAin'tFree said:
LOL. And the millions of new qualifiers for Medicaid are purchasing it how? What prevented anybody from purchasing health insurance to begin with?

Somebody else is "clueless" on this issue? LOL.
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You are hopelessly out of touch.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Remind me.....how is this an argument against a law to get people to by insurance?
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It's an argument against your contention that it should be illegal to be irresponsible.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
This again shows the lack of understanding, Congressional employees already have employer provided insurance, the PPACA is not mandating that other employee provided insurance be ended....so no, it was not a provision "we all have to live with".....it is the opposite.
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No, you miss the point, the ACA was passed by Congress and should apply to Congress eliminating any plan they had prior to the ACA. Congress shouldn't be creating a different plan for Americans than they have for themselves.
 
apdst said:
It's an argument against your contention that it should be illegal to be irresponsible.
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Okay...so you ARE arguing FOR irresponsibility!

Good grief.
 
iguanaman said:
Are you denying that there are millions of Americans without healthcare coverage or that the AHC act was written to address that problem?
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There are no American citizens who don't have access to healthcare coverage. It's called medicaid and medicare.

Basically, what you want to do, is force people who couldn't afford health insurance before, to purchase health insurance at a higher rate. Be sure and let us know how that works out. :lamo
 
iguanaman said:
Are you denying that there are millions of Americans without healthcare coverage or that the AHC act was written to address that problem?
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Of course there are millions of Americans unemployed with most of them uninsured by choice either refusing to accept insurance or not signing up for insurance programs such as Medicaid that they are eligible for. We don't need Obamacare, we need personal responsibility. ACA doesn't address the costs or quality of healthcare, only access and when you do that you drive up costs and get less care.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Raising the debt limit pays for nothing. It creates more debt.

You can try this at home. Get in touch with your credit card(s) companies and get them to raise your limit. Then go out and max the card(s) out.


Get back with us on how raising your debt limits paid for anything.
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Um.... The debt limit is effectively a limit on the number of TBills the Treasury can sell to investors.

Here's how the government works. Congress dictates how much the government will spend and what it will spend it on. Then Treasury pays the bills. If Treasury doesn't have enough money from taxes, they raise money by things like selling TBills. We can do this very cheaply because the US government is considered to be one safest investments in the world.

However, the treasury isn't allowed to raise the money to pay for what congress has already approved, then the US will no longer be a safe place to invest. It will become expensive to finance our debt and our economy will crash.

I know you don't wish the US harm, but defaulting on the debt will destroy the US more than any terrorist attack ever could.
 
Conservative said:
No, you miss the point, the ACA was passed by Congress and should apply to Congress eliminating any plan they had prior to the ACA. Congress shouldn't be creating a different plan for Americans than they have for themselves.
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FFS con.....you really believe the ACA is trying to force the ending of employer based health insurance?
 
apdst said:
Your side pays people to be irresponsible. So, why are you all of a sudden opposed to it??
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I'm not sure which is dumber, trying to pin this argument to someone.....or taking the position of endorsing it.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
FFS con.....you really believe the ACA is trying to force the ending of employer based health insurance?
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YEP, that is what ACA will do and is doing now or don't you get the news in your world? Liberals always wanted a single payer system and are getting there incrementally. Please tell me you aren't this naïve and gullible?
 
Conservative said:
Of course there are millions of Americans unemployed with most of them uninsured by choice either refusing to accept insurance or not signing up for insurance programs such as Medicaid that they are eligible for. We don't need Obamacare, we need personal responsibility. ACA doesn't address the costs or quality of healthcare, only access and when you do that you drive up costs and get less care.
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So denying healthcare to millions IS what it is all about. I thought so. You got yours so screw everyone else.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I never said 'force'...
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Really? You didn't say this?:

...it was designed from the start to get those WITHOUT insurance..... to purchase it....
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Please walk me through how exactly the federal government "gets" people to do anything?

But I suppose you are fighting for the right to be irresponsible.....after all, that is a guaranteed right...right?
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I suppose that depends on how we each interpret what "liberty" means.
 
iguanaman said:
So denying healthcare to millions IS what it is all about. I thought so.
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Do you know what the word deny means? Who is denying people from signing up on Medicaid or current employer healthcare plans? Are you really this naïve and gullible? Please tell me this is an act?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
It certainly was a concept they ascribed to. Of course there is a whole lot of walking back and scrubbing going on now.
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Oh, so now you change what you are saying....Before, you were trying to say that Obama and demo's merely took the Heritage plan, and implemented it in a bill, now, you want to say that they took the concept...Ok, I guess that is politics today, and why people mostly either tune out, or don't understand much outside the talking points.

Although I will give it to demo's that they found an internal plan that was never forwarded out of Heritage that some points dove tail with the current mess that demo's jammed through in the dead of night, but it is NOT honest to imply that republicans have ANYTHING to do with this law simply because you can point to a concept that was never even put out there as any kind of legislation to debate.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Your argument is that if you had employer based insurance, it has been ended as of October 1st, 2013?
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My argument is that ACA is going to do to private insurance what UPS has already don't to the spouses of their employees. Didn't know October 1 was the guideline. where is the incentive for private business to keep their insurance programs for employees? Are you really this naïve about business?
 
Conservative said:
Do you know what the word deny means? Who is denying people from signing up on Medicaid or current employer healthcare plans? Are you really this naïve and gullible? Please tell me this is an act?
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You are acting like you don't know that millions are denied health care coverage for a multitude of reasons under the OLD system? Have you ever heard of pre-existing conditions? Of lifetime caps on coverage?
 
j-mac said:
Really? You didn't say this?:
Please walk me through how exactly the federal government "gets" people to do anything?
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You don't have to buy insurance....you can continue to be irresponsible.

I suppose that depends on how we each interpret what "liberty" means.
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You are making a stance for the "right" to be irresponsible.....that is fine with me.
 
iguanaman said:
You are acting like you don't know that millions are denied health care coverage for a multitude of reasons under the OLD system? Have you ever heard of pre-existing conditions? Of lifetime caps on coverage?
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you use the term millions because that is what you are being told. You don't need the ACA to get that small percentage insured but what you are ignoring are the actual millions who are eligible for insurance but CHOOSE not to participate and the millions eligible for Medicaid that don't sign up for Medicaid thus are called uninsured. You see, personal responsibility doesn't exist in your world.
 
Conservative said:
My argument is that ACA is going to do to private insurance what UPS has already don't to the spouses of their employees.
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UPS? "already don't to"?!?!

Cmon con, get it together and make sense.
 
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