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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I thought it was repeal and replace?

    Probably just repeal.
    Pretty much, they haven't had a "replace" option that I've seen.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I wish we could or at least enact laws that state if congress cannot come up with a balanced budget, they don't get paid until they do so and if they don't within a certain timeframe (say 1 month from deadline) new elections are held for all congress members. Also, they need to be put on the SAME programs they want to stick us with.
    If you were a board-member of a large corporation, would you be in favor of similar restrictions? Would you be against talking a loan? Would you be against public stock offerings?

    What about personal finances? Are you against mortgages? What if you had a leaky roof? Would you hold off fixing the leak until you had the cash to pay for it or would you be willing to take a loan? What about student loans?

    Debt can be extremely useful when used strategically. You just need to make sure that the money you spend pays for itself in the long run.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    If you were a board-member of a large corporation, would you be in favor of similar restrictions? Would you be against talking a loan? Would you be against public stock offerings?

    What about personal finances? Are you against mortgages? What if you had a leaky roof? Would you hold off fixing the leak until you had the cash to pay for it or would you be willing to take a loan? What about student loans?

    Debt can be extremely useful when used strategically. You just need to make sure that the money you spend pays for itself in the long run.
    Yes, but show me where $17 trillion is "good" debt. Can you even phathom what $16 trillion is, or what is needed to pay that off?

    Also, when you reach your maximum limit on your "loan" or credit card, do you just call up the bank and say raise my limit each time or does the bank finally say "no, you can't get an increase"?

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    shagg;1062369110]You answer my questions with questions. First off, what I'm saying is that republicans asking for a delay so that obamacare can be implemented correctly is an outright lie that they won't even try to defend, they don't want it done right they want it gone as a best possible scenario (from their perspective) or done wrong as a 2nd best scenario.
    Please point me to the quote from the Republicans asking for a delay so that Obamacare can be implemented correctly? It is about exemptions and that should bother all Americans.

    To address your post:

    Thats 3 questions in 1 sentence
    A) not necessarily, it was rushed and certainly could have been written better, with more consideration to certain issues. But when your writing in pencil (effectively) you don't crumple the whole crossword puzzle up because one of your answers doesn't fit in light of more recent developments, you flip the pencil around, use the eraser, and fix it.

    B)yes

    C) that's not the point of the ACA, its to make coverage affordable and available. However, the ACA should increase competition, which should cause quality to improve over time.
    Why was it rushed through in the first place, Obama took over an economy that was in recession. He implemented a stimulus plan that failed and rather than focus on the economy his next piece of legislation was Obamacare. Make sense to you? It doesn't me



    There's tons of contradictory evidence that points to both sides being both right and wrong. There's also a lot of evidence of dishonesty with statistics, misrepresentation of facts, deliberately misleading sound bytes, and most everyone (but republicans far more so) working backwards from their conclusion and trying to find something that supports their own position, at times taking actions that create said evidence without any real need to do so (business owners ****ting on their workers in anticipation of obamacare, when they didn't need to take a dump anyway and could have done so elsewhere if they needed to). I trust none of it, let the ACA happen and lets see how it goes. America is strong enough to make the corrections needed and endure should the ACA prove to be as bad as the right makes it out to be. On the other hand, it could end up working really really well with a few adjustments, which is what the right is really scared of.
    History shows that whenever the govt. gets involved in social issues it is always about buying votes and not creating solutions to problems. Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue and nothing the govt. does changes that nor will it lower costs, improve quality, and improve service. We have a 17 trillion dollar debt today mostly due to social engineering so what has the govt. done? Create another entitlement program that will cost more than intended, do less than promised, and never solve the problem



    Bad analogies are bad. You suggest that obamacare will ruin the lives of those in congress if they don't exempt themselves. Do you think any of them would have a hard time buying health insurance, top tier, out of pocket? Just another empty talking point that sounds good but makes no sense if you stop to think about it.
    That isn't what I said, Congress should have the same advantages and disadvantages as average Americans. If Obamacare is so good then exempt no one.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Facts.
    Then offer some facts and not opinions. The fact is Congress has advantages under the ACA that normal Americans don't have and you ought to know that.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Please explain to me how I am ignoring the added costs of Obamacare. Point to anywhere in this thread where I have supported the ACA. Otherwise, you are blatently lying.

    As for the GOP lies, saying they want to delay it so it can be better implemented is a lie, they want to delay it to kill it. I don't like ACA and don't want it, but that doesn't excuse the GOP lying about their intentions.
    You don't think exempted employees doesn't increase the cost of ACA? Instead of claiming the GOP is lying you ought to be supporting the GOP in trying to get rid of Obamacare.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't think exempted employees doesn't increase the cost of ACA? Instead of claiming the GOP is lying you ought to be supporting the GOP in trying to get rid of Obamacare.
    Yet again Con, please point to where I support the ACA or where I support the exemptions. Can you do that?

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yet again Con, please point to where I support the ACA or where I support the exemptions. Can you do that?
    You don't think blaming the GOP for the Govt. shutdown isn't support for Obamacare?

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't think blaming the GOP for the Govt. shutdown isn't support for Obamacare?
    Show me where I just blame the GOP. I said I blame BOTH sides and the president in fact. Yet again are you going to continue with these blatent lies?

    How does blaming BOTH sides and the president equate to supporting Obamacare?

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Over three more years of this! It's hard to believe.
    "This" will be over next year when Dems take back the House. So don't despair.

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