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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Agreed, can we get rid of all of them and press the reset button?
    I wish we could or at least enact laws that state if congress cannot come up with a balanced budget, they don't get paid until they do so and if they don't within a certain timeframe (say 1 month from deadline) new elections are held for all congress members. Also, they need to be put on the SAME programs they want to stick us with.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's comical that anyone thinks this is a big deal.
    Actually it is a big deal for world markets, stock markets, and how the world looks at us from a economic stability point, etc.

    This just makes us look bad and hurts us in many ways. I blame both sides and the president for this crap.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I do agree with TNE to a point. That said, I do think it's reasonable to say essentially both...that they want an extension so that IF it has to roll out, that it can be rolled out fairly and efficiently across the board AND if possible they can try to stop it entirely.

    I do find it funny how the Democrats are attepmting to paint this singularly as a dereliction of duty on the part of the republicans and comparing them to terrorists or hostage takers for using the shut down as a leverage point. The only reason it's GOTTEN to this point and it's actually viable that the government might shut down is because the congress, Senate LARGELY included, has been entirely derelict of their duty to PASS A BUDGET. For FIVE YEARS now this congress has been completely unable to fulfill one of it's most basic tasks...to pass a BUDGET.

    I can agree with the notion that an EMERGENCY CR, to give time to actually pass a budget, should be a clean bill. Something to simply "continue" what's going on now as the debate is raging on.

    This is not what this is. You do not have "EMERGENCY" continuing resolutions for going on FIVE YEARS.

    The President suggested on NPR that he shouldn't be asked to give up anything to "Fund the government". That's ridiculous in an over arching notion. Budgets ABSOLUTELY have been built upon and created with the notion of compromise and each side giving a bit on what they want. The problem is that for FIVE YEARS, this congress has refused to actually pass a budget up to the Presidents desk. They keep relying on these last minute "emergency" continuing resolutions to simply roll over the same "emergency stimulous" related increased spending because they can claim that it needs to be a "clean" bill.

    No, when you routinely and CONTINUALLY utilize a Continuing Resolution as your defacto Budget you DON'T get the ability to demand that "Clean" bills are the only thing you'll take. When you're CONTINUALLY throw a "temper tantrum" over actually passing a Budget, you don't get to then complain about others throwing a "temper tantrum" when they don't just roll over and let your earlier tantrum off the hook.

    Both sides need to be strung up for this and the focus on one side is ridiculous. Actually pass a ****ing budget for once in HALF A DECADE, through the normal means of give and take, and then perhaps there'd be a good faith reason to put forward short term CR's if a little more debate was needed. But when you ROUTINELY show you will absolutely NOT participate in the budgetary process then I can't fault the House, whose only real power IS the purse strings, to attempt to utilize the only actual pseudo-budgetary bill that the Senate will allow to come to the table.
    A very good point that can't be repeated enough. The political reasons to avoid the normal budgetary process are fundamentally dishonest at the outset - and it's intentional.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I wish we could or at least enact laws that state if congress cannot come up with a balanced budget, they don't get paid until they do so and if they don't within a certain timeframe (say 1 month from deadline) new elections are held for all congress members. Also, they need to be put on the SAME programs they want to stick us with.
    Absolutely. I know there are a few bills that do that very thing, but they aren't gaining any traction.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And we're breathlessly awaiting the
    Speaker's response, with the other Speakers to follow.
    Obama's lies followed by truth and shutdown.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Let it shut down.

    The Repubs first voted to fully fund the government but to de-fund Obamacare, that failed in the Democrat controlled Senate.

    Then the Repubs compromised and agreed to fully fund the government but to delay implementation of Obamacare, same as Obama himself has done to select portions of the law, that failed the Democrat controlled Senate.

    The Republicans compromised but the Dems are pouting that they are not getting everything they want, so they are taking their ball and going home.

    Now Obama is making yet another speech blaming Republicans for not compromising and is blaming them for the shut down....WTF

    Has sanity left Washington completely? Oh never mind, I forgot, it did that a long time ago. Silly me.
    Compromise is a transaction, give a little, get a little. What have the Republicans put on the table in exchange for defunding the ACA? Allowing the government to function? Paying the bills they've already voted for? Not sabotaging the US economy? Wanting the government to function isn't a Democratic priority, it's an American priority.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Actually it is a big deal for world markets,
    stock markets, and how the world looks at us from a economic stability point, etc.

    This just makes us look bad and hurts us in many ways. I blame both sides and the president for this crap.
    We've looked bad since 2008, and thr World knows full well our economy is a stack of cards held up by Fed Printing.

    They are'nt impressed.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    We've looked bad since 2008, and thr World knows full well our economy is a stack of cards held up by Fed Printing.

    They are'nt impressed.
    We've looked bad far longer than that. You can act like it is just one side, but it is BOTH sides and has been decades of bad presidents.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Agreed, I'm just tired of the BS games BOTH sides are playing. All the parties involved (The President, the house, and the senate) have played these games far too long. We need a budget, we desperately need reforms and reviews of ALL programs, we need accountability, and we need to get rid of any one of those that want to play these games. This goes beyond conservatism, liberalism, Dems or Reps. Neither side is clean.
    Exactly. Am I happy with the Republicans right now? No, not really. But not just about this. The fact we got to the point where a year long CR was likely needed for essentially a 5th year is not something that JUST happened. Partisan Politics, gamesmanship, and petty disputes on ALL sides helped to lead to a situation where this occured. I don't find what the Republicans are doing here any more worhty of condemnation or any more at fault then other actions they took that led to this point, or other actions taken by democrats in congress and hte Presiden tthat led us to this point.

    This is like three guys going out to a bar, pumping shots and drinks into each other, trying to one up each other all night at bar games and hitting on women, and then piling into the car to go home as they fight over who gets to drive......and then when it crashes the guys in the passenger seats looks over at the driver and going "THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!"

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Congress is not exempt from Obamacare. Stop repeating an already debunked lie.
    Your opinion noted, so Congress doesn't get special treatment under Obamacare? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?

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