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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Now you are conflating your "finances" point with the "financial responsibility" argument.

    I don't really care to guide you through the differences of these real points, i'll just let your false argument hang on its own.
    Big boy eyes failure once again. Let's see if I got it, your current dodge is claiming that taking "financial responsibility" is not the same as having "responsibility for our own finances". Interesting, but still a dodge to avoid having to say you went a tad too far.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

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    I find it amazing that you listen to Limbaugh in addition to a lack of understanding that you don't have to listen to someone to have the same position on the issues. You have no position other than Democrats right, Republicans wrong, the hell with the results that show differently
    Actually....no....what I do...is when I see you and a number of other Republican apologists engaging in the same talking point in the same day....I google the talking point to see where it came from. 9 times out of 10 it was part of Limbaugh's program the day before....see.....that is how the internet does in your claims of not getting your talking points from the right-wing propogandists. A Good example....just recently Limbaugh was talking of "low information voters"....the next day....you must have used that term 10 times in your posts.....so in other words Con....you aren't fooling anyone.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually....no....what I do...is when I see you and a number of other Republican apologists engaging in the same talking point in the same day....I google the talking point to see where it came from. 9 times out of 10 it was part of Limbaugh's program the day before....see.....that is how the internet does in your claims of not getting your talking points from the right-wing propogandists. A Good example....just recently Limbaugh was talking of "low information voters"....the next day....you must have used that term 10 times in your posts.....so in other words Con....you aren't fooling anyone.
    As opposed to liberal talking points which literally can come from hundreds of different "news" sources.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Big boy eyes failure once again. Let's see if I got it, your current dodge is claiming that taking "financial responsibility" is not the same as having "responsibility for our own finances". Interesting, but still a dodge to avoid having to say you went a tad too far.
    I understand that straw is a regular and large part of you posting diet...but....it is not to my taste.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Lets have a social science experiment and ask the question: what happens when the titts run out of milk????

    Oh yeah the "cow" doesn't actually manufacture free Obamaphones or "internets."

    Oh yeah the republicans have been trying to fund SS and the military however democrats aren't content if we give them the authority to regulate our lives.... Not to mention the cherry on the top which is Obamaphones, service and all sorts of free perks those (whom have never worked a job in their life) currently receive.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually....no....what I do...is when I see you and a number of other Republican apologists engaging in the same talking point in the same day....I google the talking point to see where it came from. 9 times out of 10 it was part of Limbaugh's program the day before....see.....that is how the internet does in your claims of not getting your talking points from the right-wing propogandists. A Good example....just recently Limbaugh was talking of "low information voters"....the next day....you must have used that term 10 times in your posts.....so in other words Con....you aren't fooling anyone.
    I see so in your world people are incapable of having exactly the same position on issues? Hate to break it to you but I don't listen to Rush and Hannity but I am a conservative and everything I promote are conservative ideals. It really is too bad you have no principles at all. Not sure what your utopia is but you live in the most debt ridden state in the nation with the highest taxes, and the most people making minimum wage. I suggest you focus on the problems of your state rather than try to discuss issues you don't understand. The term low information voter wasn't patented by Limbaugh but does represent people like you.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    the analogy of having a vehicle limited to showrooms or on a private property is just fringe exceptions to the rule, it is ignoring the essence of the argument. If you want to deal in absolutes, try religion or other irrational argument.
    Whether they are fringe or not the fact remains that they ARE exceptions and it is true. Like it or not people do not have to HAVE car insurance. With Obama's mandate you HAVE to have health insurance simply for living. Those are facts that you cannot get around no matter how much you try to minimilize it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm sorry but mandate is an enforced term of art, if you want to make the argument that the plan created by GOP "idiots" did not specifically spell out the enforcement provisions, that is entirely up to you and is just further intellectual dishonesty.
    Enforced term of art? Might want to expand on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, his plans are attacked by fringe elements because he is black....and no one forced you to continue to protest against this fact so much.....me thinks.
    No, his plans in regards to the mandate was attacked by 60%+ of the American population. Remember, the majority of Americans did NOT want the mandate. That included quite a few democrats btw. Unless you are contending that 60% of Americans are "fringe" then you are simply just plain wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Some of my best friends are black too......me thinks.
    Good for you? At least I have proof of my defense of him. Just search the forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I know, you have made clear your objecting to mandated financial responsibility....whether it comes from the left or right.

    Next up, "we have a right to be financially irresponsible".
    Oh please. If you truly wanted people held financially responsible then you would get rid of bankruptcy laws and hold them to paying their bills and not allow them to ignore them. There's a reason that garnishment laws exist. Use it. Debt collectors sure do. THAT is holding them responsible. All Obamacare does is make it to where the burden of the cost is spread across society and not the individual, where it belongs.

    Also in case you hadn't noticed it, our government rewards financially irresponsible people. Social security, medicaid, medicare, foodstamps, disability are all given to people that shouldn't be on those programs since those programs were meant to only help those that actually needed it. Not those that were lazy bums.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    It's funny that this guy gets stepped on by the rest of the world, but when it comes to the American people, he is going to stand his ground and not give in.

    We have this government program that tens of millions of Americans don't want, could not get one republican vote, and couldn't even come close to being passed into law today. Yet, he immediately comes out and says he refuses to negotiate anything on it. Truly a man of the people! What people, I have no idea.
    I'm still trying to get my sanity back after the whole catholic birth control fiasco too. Such a joke of an administration. Were going to have to rewrite that song. I'm proud to an Obamabot where at least my **** is free! Pant****ter nation is what we have become...
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Whether they are fringe or not the fact remains that they ARE exceptions and it is true.
    They are fringe exceptions, I never argued they were false, but they in no way change the essence of the ANALOGY.
    Like it or not people do not have to HAVE car insurance. With Obama's mandate you HAVE to have health insurance simply for living. Those are facts that you cannot get around no matter how much you try to minimilize it.
    Again....THAT IS MY ARGUMENT. FFS, why would I avoid it?

    Good grief.



    Enforced term of art? Might want to expand on that. No, his plans in regards to the mandate was attacked by 60%+ of the American population. Remember, the majority of Americans did NOT want the mandate. That included quite a few democrats btw. Unless you are contending that 60% of Americans are "fringe" then you are simply just plain wrong.
    What frigging straw, stop with the "you are saying 60% of Americans are "fringe". Nothing more that more intellectual dishonesty.



    Good for you? At least I have proof of my defense of him. Just search the forum.
    LOL...the sarcasm went right by you. I was saying YOU were using the "My best friends are black" argument.

    Sigh.



    Oh please. If you truly wanted people held financially responsible then you would get rid of bankruptcy laws and .....
    Bait to tangent? Sorry, no sale.

    Also in case you hadn't noticed it, our government rewards financially irresponsible people. Social security, medicaid, medicare, foodstamps, disability are all given to people that shouldn't be on those programs since those programs were meant to only help those that actually needed it. Not those that were lazy bums.
    Yes yes, children, the disabled, pensioners (who paid during their working life into SS) have been "irresponsible".

    FFS, this conservative/libertarian crap argument technique of conflating "welfare" with the individual mandate is just beyond belief. It never ceases to amaze me how many rabbit holes will be jumped into to avoid the topic.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    They are fringe exceptions, I never argued they were false, but they in no way change the essence of the ANALOGY.Again....THAT IS MY ARGUMENT. FFS, why would I avoid it?

    Good grief.
    The fact that there is exceptions shows the major difference between the two. An analogy must be on equal footing for it to apply correctly. Otherwise its nothing more than a piss poor arguement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    What frigging straw, stop with the "you are saying 60% of Americans are "fringe". Nothing more that more intellectual dishonesty.
    You're the one that stated that those that attack obama are the fringe. Obviously you were wrong. Own up to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL...the sarcasm went right by you. I was saying YOU were using the "My best friends are black" argument.
    Sarcasm doesn't show through on the net...didn't you know that? And if that is all that you got from it then you did not actually read what I wrote. I was giving you an example of someone that does indeed attack Obama that doesn't give two craps about his skin color.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Bait to tangent? Sorry, no sale.
    Not surprised when confronted with truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes yes, children, the disabled, pensioners (who paid during their working life into SS) have been "irresponsible".

    FFS, this conservative/libertarian crap argument technique of conflating "welfare" with the individual mandate is just beyond belief. It never ceases to amaze me how many rabbit holes will be jumped into to avoid the topic.
    You apparently missed the part where I stated "those programs were meant to only help those that actually needed it". But then again I'm not surprised with all the spin your post did. Spinning makes everyone that does it dizzy.
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