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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Specious argument, the point was that 99% of the cars on the road have insurance it is a state MANDATE, even Stuart Butler makes the auto insurance analogy.
    And what about the amount of americans that do not drive? Do they have car insurance? Answer: No. Why? Because you do not HAVE to drive. You can ride a bike, you can take a taxi, you can ride a train, you can ride a subway, you can even walk. Fact is millions of americans do not HAVE to drive and therefore do not HAVE to have car insurance. That is far different from having to have health insurance for simply living. And I don't care who Stuart Butler is, he's an idiot for making the analogy.

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    The GOP will not accept it NOW because a black man who is a Democrat finally got a major health insurance reform in place on a national scale that Heritage/Gingrich/Romney advocated and implimented on a state scale. Of course they reject it NOW......even though it was defended by them as late as the 2008 GOP primaries.
    Oh look, the race card. Why am I not surprised? Seems those that support Obama just can't help but use it against anyone that disagrees with any Obama policy. Take that crap and stow it.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And what about the amount of americans that do not drive? Do they have car insurance? Answer: No. Why? Because you do not HAVE to drive. You can ride a bike, you can take a taxi, you can ride a train, you can ride a subway, you can even walk.
    FFS...the ANALOGY concerns the financial responsibility for the VESSEL. If you operate a car, you are mandated to carry financial responsibility for that VESSEL. If you operate your BODY, you have a financial responsibility for operating that VESSEL.


    Fact is millions of americans do not HAVE to drive and therefore do not HAVE to have car insurance. That is far different from having to have health insurance for simply living. And I don't care who Stuart Butler is, he's an idiot for making the analogy.
    LOL....one of the original members of Heritage that used the analogy....is an "idiot". What do you call a person who has trouble understanding the analogy?



    Oh look, the race card. Why am I not surprised? Seems those that support Obama just can't help but use it against anyone that disagrees with any Obama policy. Take that crap and stow it.
    And those who attack Obama refuse to accept that it is part of the extremists motivations for attacking the President.

    If you are not part of that fringe, don't take offense.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    If I mention that objection to a plan that conservatives not only endorsed as late as 2008 but was implemented by a GOP Gov.....is partly explained by the extreme fringes racism....that is "losing" the argument?

    How is a statement of fact a reason for loss of argument?
    Because it's not a "statement of fact". You played the race card because it feeds into some self-justification for you opinion. There are and were many objections to Obamacare, none of them based on the race of the POTUS.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    FFS...the ANALOGY concerns the financial responsibility for the VESSEL. If you operate a car, you are mandated to carry financial responsibility for that VESSEL. If you operate your BODY, you have a financial responsibility for operating that VESSEL.
    You're almost there. Note the part I bolded - YOU have that financial responsibility, NOT everyone else, NOT the government.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    FFS...the ANALOGY concerns the financial responsibility for the VESSEL. If you operate a car, you are mandated to carry financial responsibility for that VESSEL. If you operate your BODY, you have a financial responsibility for operating that VESSEL.
    Still a failed analogy. 1: You have no choice about operating your body. Unless you know someone that CHOSE to be born? Particularly chose to be born in the US? 2: You can drive vehicles without any car insurance as much as you want on your property. Pefectly legal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL....one of the original members of Heritage that used the analogy....is an "idiot". What do you call a person who has trouble understanding the analogy?
    Except that the Heritage did not propose what is in Obamacare. Obamacare mandates health insurance and fines you if you don't have it. The Heritage plan was to encourage the use of health insurance via tax credits and such. There was no fine for not having it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    And those who attack Obama refuse to accept that it is part of the extremists motivations for attacking the President.
    People attack Obama for many things. Just because they attack Obama does not mean that they are attacking him just because he's black. The only ones that automatically draw that conclusion are partisan hacks at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    If you are not part of that fringe, don't take offense.
    I attack Obama all the time. Hell, even defended him a few times. Not once have I ever done either one because he is black. I've attacked him because I believe his policies suck (at best) and in the case of Obamacare I consider him to be infringing on my right to chose whether to buy a private product or not. The man is a great speaker and orator, but he sucks as a national leader.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because it's not a "statement of fact". You played the race card because it feeds into some self-justification for you opinion. There are and were many objections to Obamacare, none of them based on the race of the POTUS.
    The statement of fact is that some elements of the fringe are in opposition due to race. If you want to focus on that fact, that is up to you.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The statement of fact is that some elements of the fringe are in opposition due to race. If you want to focus on that fact, that is up to you.
    Which means nothing to the issue at discussion here and is just the generic playing of the race card to justify your position.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    If the generic race card, which you accuse, fits, then the GOP wears it, as they have for 4 years and 8 months.
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Which means nothing to the issue at discussion here and is just the generic playing of the race card to justify your position.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Still a failed analogy. 1: You have no choice about operating your body. Unless you know someone that CHOSE to be born? Particularly chose to be born in the US? 2: You can drive vehicles without any car insurance as much as you want on your property. Pefectly legal.
    the analogy of having a vehicle limited to showrooms or on a private property is just fringe exceptions to the rule, it is ignoring the essence of the argument. If you want to deal in absolutes, try religion or other irrational argument.



    Except that the Heritage did not propose what is in Obamacare. Obamacare mandates health insurance and fines you if you don't have it. The Heritage plan was to encourage the use of health insurance via tax credits and such. There was no fine for not having it.
    I'm sorry but mandate is an enforced term of art, if you want to make the argument that the plan created by GOP "idiots" did not specifically spell out the enforcement provisions, that is entirely up to you and is just further intellectual dishonesty.



    People attack Obama for many things. Just because they attack Obama does not mean that they are attacking him just because he's black. The only ones that automatically draw that conclusion are partisan hacks at best.
    Again, his plans are attacked by fringe elements because he is black....and no one forced you to continue to protest against this fact so much.....me thinks.



    I attack Obama all the time. Hell, even defended him a few times. Not once have I ever done either one because he is black.
    Some of my best friends are black too......me thinks.

    I've attacked him because I believe his policies suck (at best) and in the case of Obamacare I consider him to be infringing on my right to chose whether to buy a private product or not. The man is a great speaker and orator, but he sucks as a national leader.
    I know, you have made clear your objecting to mandated financial responsibility....whether it comes from the left or right.

    Next up, "we have a right to be financially irresponsible".
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Which means nothing to the issue at discussion here and is just the generic playing of the race card to justify your position.
    I have no idea why you think a part of the opposition is not part of the opposition.......but you protestations continue on and on and on....me thinks.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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