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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why would the whitehouse ever give into the terrorist-type ploys of the teabaggers? The United States rarely, if ever, negotiates with extortionists....why would we start now?

    LOL. Seriously, I was waiting on this since I first saw you posted that spin. Here it is:
    Obama Invites Leaders to White House to Talk Shutdown, Debt : Roll Call News

    Sooooooooooo. One of two things has happened here to you, just as I knew it would. Either (a) The President of the United States is negotiating with terrorists and extortionist which makes you look completely stupid or (b) the GOP is not terrorists or extortionists which makes you look completely stupid.

    Don't worry though. I don't easily give up on people. Millions of voters smartened up and did not vote for Obama a second time. I won't quit on you yet, there is still time for you to smarten up too. You seem intelligent enough, smarten up.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'll accept blackmail. But honestly it is apparently OK to blackmail in the government. Both sides have done it so much its pathetic. Hell, blue dog democrats even black mailed their own party just to pass Obamacare.

    Actually...now that I think about it....I can't even remember the last time anyone in our government actually NEGOTIATED. Maybe Clinton? Because I'm pretty sure that Bush never did and I know that Obama sure hasn't. Our last two presidents have pretty much always (if not then mostly) used blackmail in their dealings....with the rest of our polticians following suit....or leading it. Depends on your POV.
    The Democrats did with Bush over the tax cuts (10 years instead of permanent), war w/ Iraq (un first), no child left behind, the prescription drug plans, the surge, etc...Yes there was plenty of name calling and ridiculous partisanship, but people were willing to compromise.

    The Tea Party fundamentalism is something we haven't seen in a long while, and it's not so much a fault of Republicanism or Conservatism so much as gerrymandering and demographics. The net result is that there's a slight majority of Republicans in the house who are in uber safe GOP districts. These districts have been spoonfed from the non-thinking Hannity/Rush brand of conservatism the idea that liberals are evil, conservatives are good. Good should never compromise with evil. So even though they're less than 25% of the population, the Tea Partiers essentially control the house speakership.... and that's the problem.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth
    It is there to FINANCIALLY protect yourself when fortune does not smile on you.
    If fate does not smile on your health, you are protected FINANCIALLY.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart
    But the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features. First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance required in most states, our requirement focused on "catastrophic" costs — so hospitals and taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the expensive illness or accident of someone who did not buy insurance.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Now, do you see what is different between the two? It is glaring.....
    It is a potato-potato argument, The point being that Heritage/Gingrich/Romney DID want the individual mandate. If it is quibbling over "who" is being protected (the individual or society) financially....I can live with that. The point still stands, they all wanted an individual mandate.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It is a potato-potato argument, The point being that Heritage/Gingrich/Romney DID want the individual mandate. If it is quibbling over "who" is being protected (the individual or society) financially....I can live with that. The point still stands, they all wanted an individual mandate.
    This is as good an explanation of what's happened as any. The Resolutionary War | National Review Online

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm jumping in here but I did want to address this.

    1: There is a huge difference between car mandated insurance and healthcare mandated insurance. You don't HAVE to have car insurance. Even if you own a car you do not HAVE to have car insurance. So long as you do not drive it on public roads. You can drive your car all you want on your own private property without any type of car insurance. You don't even need a drivers license to do that. Healthcare mandated insurance on the other hand is mandated to have no matter what. There is no way to opt out of it without being fined at the very least. You either get it, or else. That is a huge difference. The whole car/heal care insurance analogy is a false analogy that has never panned out...even when Obama touted it.
    Specious argument, the point was that 99% of the cars on the road have insurance it is a state MANDATE, even Stuart Butler makes the auto insurance analogy.

    2: Just because republicans once over a decade ago wanted the same thing does not mean that they have to accept it now. It was shot down before, it should have been shot down this time also. But if you really want to play the game of hypocrisy then how does it look that at one point democrats helped shoot it down the last time (due to the American people not wanting it) and this time it was so gung ho for it that they completely ignored the majority of the American People in order to enact it this time around? Funny how that is never mentioned huh?
    The GOP will not accept it NOW because a black man who is a Democrat finally got a major health insurance reform in place on a national scale that Heritage/Gingrich/Romney advocated and implimented on a state scale. Of course they reject it NOW......even though it was defended by them as late as the 2008 GOP primaries.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL The New right is now the "flower power" generation.
    I was thinking more along the lines of the New Weathermen.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is as good an explanation of what's happened as any. The Resolutionary War | National Review Online
    This is so sad, you think a minuscule blog post on continuing resolutions is an explanation of the concept of financial responsibility via an individual mandate?

    Good grief.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post

    The GOP will not accept it NOW because a black man who is a Democrat finally got a major health insurance reform in place on a national scale that Heritage/Gingrich/Romney advocated and implimented on a state scale. Of course they reject it NOW......even though it was defended by them as late as the 2008 GOP primaries.
    Gotta love it when somebody admits, even in a round about way, they have lost the argument. 99% of the time nowadays when somebody plays the race card it's because they have lost the argument. He just posted proof he lost the argument.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree;106237 5225
    Gotta love it when somebody admits, even in a round about way, they have lost the argument. 99% of the time nowadays when somebody plays the race card it's because they have lost the argument. He just posted proof he lost the argument.
    If I mention that objection to a plan that conservatives not only endorsed as late as 2008 but was implemented by a GOP Gov.....is partly explained by the extreme fringes racism....that is "losing" the argument?

    How is a statement of fact a reason for loss of argument?
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Leftists are all ad hom when they can't respond sensibly to a post.
    There's nothing "ad hom" about it. You can trace Conservative's talking points to Limbaugh almost point for point the day after he airs.....
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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