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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Right now it is deemed Consitutional. THAT is REALITY.
    Yes, obviously. And right now it couldn't come close to being passed into law and millions want to get rid of it. That is also reality.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Yes, obviously. And right now it couldn't come close to being passed into law and millions want to get rid of it. That is also reality.
    No it isn't reality, if EVERYONE wanted to get rid of the ACA, they wouldn't have voted the Dems to remain in control of the Sentate and every Dem would have lost their seat in the house.

    The fact is there ARE people that want this. I wish we could have a DIRECT vote on this to settle it once and for all.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No it isn't reality, if EVERYONE wanted to get rid of the ACA, they wouldn't have voted the Dems to remain in control of the Sentate and every Dem would have lost their seat in the house.

    The fact is there ARE people that want this. I wish we could have a DIRECT vote on this to settle it once and for all.
    The Democrats have already voted for it without knowing what was in it and another vote would be the same.

    People would be voting for a theory, a hope or a dream, but not facts with any reality attached. It is a program for wishful thinkers thought up by inexperienced people who through a fluke of the electoral system gained enough power to put their own unrealistic theories into practice.

    Well informed people would reject it out of hand but they are not in the majority, otherwise Barrack Obama would not be President.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No it isn't reality, if EVERYONE wanted to get rid of the ACA, they wouldn't have voted the Dems to remain in control of the Sentate and every Dem would have lost their seat in the house.

    The fact is there ARE people that want this. I wish we could have a DIRECT vote on this to settle it once and for all.
    You think every democrat would have lost their seat??? And what else is not reality? You think that this law could be passed today? The House dems didn't even want it, but were stuck with it after Massachusetts elected a republican to try and stop the bill. Massachusetts, for God’s Sake! They couldn't even get it through the Senate by the time the House passed it. So, what is not reality again?
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Democrats have already voted for it without knowing what was in it and another vote would be the same.

    People would be voting for a theory, a hope or a dream, but not facts with any reality attached. It is a program for wishful thinkers thought up by inexperienced people who through a fluke of the electoral system gained enough power to put their own unrealistic theories into practice.

    Well informed people would reject it out of hand but they are not in the majority, otherwise Barrack Obama would not be President.
    Excellent point, liberals vote with their hearts believing in theory and not reality along with facts. I call that thinking with the heart and not the brain for anyone who thinks with their brain knows that adding millions more to the roles of the insured puts unsustainable pressure on the current system and will overburden the ER system just like it is doing in MA. Further most ACA supporters buy the liberal message and ignore the reality that healthcare costs are bourn by the states for the uninsured and not the Federal taxpayers thus making this a state issue not a federal issue.

    Like most liberal programs they always sound good until you get to implementation where all cost more than intended, do less than intended, never solve a problem, and only create permanent govt. bureaucrats to administer the programs.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    I oppose it as well so I guess I'm included in that 72%. That's why it's important for the Senate and Obama to join with the House and fund the rest of the government. As the House has already provided them the means to do it.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Democrats have already voted for it without knowing what was in it and another vote would be the same.

    People would be voting for a theory, a hope or a dream, but not facts with any reality attached. It is a program for wishful thinkers thought up by inexperienced people who through a fluke of the electoral system gained enough power to put their own unrealistic theories into practice.

    Well informed people would reject it out of hand but they are not in the majority, otherwise Barrack Obama would not be President.
    Nothing you have said refutes anything I posted above. The fact is there ARE people that want it and if EVERYONE didn't want it, the House and Senate would have all Republicans and no Dems from this last election and THAT is the point I was making that you didn't refute.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You think every democrat would have lost their seat??? And what else is not reality? You think that this law could be passed today? The House dems didn't even want it, but were stuck with it after Massachusetts elected a republican to try and stop the bill. Massachusetts, for God’s Sake! They couldn't even get it through the Senate by the time the House passed it. So, what is not reality again?
    I'm saying if people REALLY didn't want the ACA, they would have voted out every Dem, yes. So there ARE people out there that want it and the proof is in the numbers of seats held by Dems in the Senate and House from the last election.

    I don't agree with the ACA and don't want it, but the fact is that there are people that do.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

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    Excellent point, liberals vote with their hearts believing in theory and not reality along with facts. I call that thinking with the heart and not the brain for anyone who thinks with their brain knows that adding millions more to the roles of the insured puts unsustainable pressure on the current system and will overburden the ER system just like it is doing in MA. Further most ACA supporters buy the liberal message and ignore the reality that healthcare costs are bourn by the states for the uninsured and not the Federal taxpayers thus making this a state issue not a federal issue.

    Like most liberal programs they always sound good until you get to implementation where all cost more than intended, do less than intended, never solve a problem, and only create permanent govt. bureaucrats to administer the programs.
    Down the road it will be an even larger political issue because it will become unaffordable, but its being unaffordable will not prevent it from continuing because people have come to expect it, and it is then 'a right'. The Democrats will do what they hve done in the past in defending unaffordable government programs, painting their opposition as greedy and evil, while things like infrastructure, the military, etc. will suffer.

    They genuinely seem to be believe that all this spending, and a huge program like the Affordable Health Care Act can be implemented and yet everything will remain the same, or even better. It's all Obamaphone.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm saying if people REALLY didn't want the ACA, they would have voted out every Dem, yes. So there ARE people out there that want it and the proof is in the numbers of seats held by Dems in the Senate and House from the last election.

    I don't agree with the ACA and don't want it, but the fact is that there are people that do.
    Just because people want something doesn't mean they should get it, unless they are much like spoiled children. And of course Obama declaring a person is a child until the age of 26 strongly suggests this.

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