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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    then ask "your" president why he did it? Ask "your" President why he exempted supporters and various contributors including the unions through negotiation but will not negotiate with the "Peoples House?"
    Temporary exemptions don't mean ****. There is no way any President would repeal his own laws under such duress. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.
    The "people's" House has lost its people anyway. They have been replaced by gerrymandering and soft money.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Temporary exemptions don't mean ****. There is no way any President would repeal his own laws under such duress. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.
    The "people's" House has lost its people. They have been replaced by gerrymandering and soft money.
    And apparently there is no way you ever are going to understand the facts. The uninsured expenses are paid for by the people of the states in which those expenses occurred thus making this a state issue not a federal issue. Nothing you say or imagine is ever going to change that.

    Temporary exemptions? Tell me where those exemptions are listed in the ACA and why Obama negotiated them? Why don't the American people get the same opportunity to be exempted from the program? The "People's House" is controlled by the Republicans, a fact that liberals like you want to ignore.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Boehner flip-flops on federal exemption to aides after negotiating for it for months.
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Temporary exemptions don't mean ****. There is no way any President would repeal his own laws under such duress. It is ludicrous to think otherwise.
    The "people's" House has lost its people anyway. They have been replaced by gerrymandering and soft money.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not screwed up at all. Terrorists often take hostages to try to negotiate things that they don't have a right to negotiate. This is exactly what the Republicans are trying to do here.
    That is where you are wrong, both sides have every right to negotiate. Obama caused the shut down by refusing, in advance, to negotiate, a terrible character flaw of his, and we are all paying for it.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    They gave in on the defunding? Demanding one thing and then demanding less is not compromise. Its like a spoiled child demanding 10 cookies, and then demanding 2 when their parent says no.

    All you've done is described what the Republicans are demanding. The question is what are they willing to give up. What is their leverage?
    They gave up on defunding obamacare. They went from giving absolutely nothing for Obamacare to extending the implementation for 1 year, just as Obama himself has done for so many provisions of the law.

    Again I ask, what have the Dems compromised on? Nothing. Their stance is still all or nothing. Well looks like they have nothing right now doesnt it? No continuing budget resolution to fund the government and no funding for Obamacare.

    But yet they are still blaming the Republicans for it.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Finally, Obama calls it like it is: a bunch of rightwing lunatics trying to undertake a coup by imposing their discredited policies on an electorate that rejected their weirdness.

    Republicans, you lost. Get used to it. There's more of it coming!
    I am so going to love watching you disappear after the people wake up, and you get trounced at the polls...I bet crickets will be louder.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    They gave up on defunding obamacare. They went from giving absolutely nothing for Obamacare to extending the implementation for 1 year, just as Obama himself has done for so many provisions of the law.

    Again I ask, what have the Dems compromised on? Nothing. Their stance is still all or nothing. Well looks like they have nothing right now doesnt it? No continuing budget resolution to fund the government and no funding for Obamacare.

    But yet they are still blaming the Republicans for it.
    What were the Republicans offering the Democrats in exchange for repealing, defunding, or delaying?

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    For the sake of discussion, what's the difference between blackmail and terrorism?
    One obvious difference is that blackmail doesn't necessarily mean violence. Terrorism ALWAYS includes violence.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It hasn't even taken effect and yet you still make stuff up and think you know? 800,000 Govt. employees went without pay today. What did they do to you?
    I'm not making anything up. It is a fact that Obamacare WILL cost me money that I ordinarily would not have HAD to have paid out. Either through the fine via the IRS or through payments to some insurance company. That is plain fact. It is also plain fact that Obamacare is directed at everyone of age in the US. What did those millions of people do to you?
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToastyOats View Post
    What were the Republicans offering the Democrats in exchange for repealing, defunding, or delaying?
    What are the Democrats offering for the Republicans to roll over and play dead?

    The Democrats are the ones refusing to budge on this...its everything or nothing with them.

    Obama was speaking from the Rose garden today blaming Republicans for not wanting to institute Obamacare now with all its flaws...he said we can fix them as we go...then why did he delay implementation on portions of the bill that werent ready?

    Why is his administration exempt from Obamacare?

    If Obamacare and the exchanges are so wonderful and fantastic, why are they not forced to participate in them the same as we are being forced to?

    Why does Congress have to be subsidized to participate in it? Why are unions and some large companies getting waivers from this disaster?
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