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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is more dishonesty. I never said that Heritage's plan was "super secret" or anything of the kind....or that "it was never talked about".... That is your characterization. What was talked about by Gingrich in the '80s, or implemented in a state by its Governor are not what is going on here.

    During the 80's under Gingrich, the "Catastrophic Care act" was passed in 88, and literally repealed one year later....The people didn't want this crap then, and they don't want it today. As for Romney, and Mass. That is where this should be, not in the federal government.
    No dear, not "1988"....


    Over at Mother Jones, David Corn discovers that like the Newt Gingrich of three years ago, the former speaker’s for-profit think tank, the Center for Health Transformation (CHT), also promotes the individual health insurance mandate:

    Gingrich first backed the concept in 1993, “I am for people, individuals — exactly like automobile insurance — individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance,” he said on Meet the Press. He supported the idea in 2007 — writing in a Des Moines Register op-ed, “Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance” — and again in 2008: “Finally, we should insist that everyone above a certain level buy coverage (or, if they are opposed to insurance, post a bond).”
    Romney himself pointed this out in a debate, saying, “Actually Newt, we got the idea of the individual mandate from you…and the Heritage Foundation.” “I absolutely did work with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare,” Gingrich conceded.
    CHT also works with business groups that may benefit from the mandate. As Lee Fang has reported, CHT serves approximately 94 health industry corporations and lobby groups, including health insurance (BlueCross BlueShield Association, WellPoint, AHIP, UnitedHealth), health IT (L-3 Enterprise, Microsoft, IBM), and pharmaceutical companies — with each paying up to $200,000 annually.

    Newt Gingrich And The Individual Mandate | ThinkProgress
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Many are. It's up to them or should be.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    ON that part of the discussion I wasn't following along,
    Sigh, go review.
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    My argument is that ACA is going to do to private insurance what UPS has already don't to the spouses of their employees.
    So you still are not going to explain this bit of nonsense?

    UPS?

    "already don't to"???
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Republicans have offered an alternative, the left doesn't want it because it doesn't grow government. The Republican's position is to carry on the government but the left won't accept it without its beloved take over of private health care systems.


    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    And the Republican position is to deny millions coverage so they can gloat about how much better they are than "them".

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You don't have to buy insurance....you can continue to be irresponsible.

    You are making a stance for the "right" to be irresponsible.....that is fine with me.
    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    That's not necessarily being "irresponsible". At all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Living without health insurance...is not irresponsible.

    Parents are very comfortable with that concept.
    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Many are. It's up to them or should be.
    It should be a right to be irresponsible.

    Wow......that is an interesting concept.....so many levels of denial.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No dear, not "1988"....


    Over at Mother Jones, David Corn discovers that like the Newt Gingrich of three years ago, the former speaker’s for-profit think tank, the Center for Health Transformation (CHT), also promotes the individual health insurance mandate:

    Gingrich first backed the concept in 1993, “I am for people, individuals — exactly like automobile insurance — individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance,” he said on Meet the Press. He supported the idea in 2007 — writing in a Des Moines Register op-ed, “Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance” — and again in 2008: “Finally, we should insist that everyone above a certain level buy coverage (or, if they are opposed to insurance, post a bond).”
    Romney himself pointed this out in a debate, saying, “Actually Newt, we got the idea of the individual mandate from you…and the Heritage Foundation.” “I absolutely did work with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare,” Gingrich conceded.
    CHT also works with business groups that may benefit from the mandate. As Lee Fang has reported, CHT serves approximately 94 health industry corporations and lobby groups, including health insurance (BlueCross BlueShield Association, WellPoint, AHIP, UnitedHealth), health IT (L-3 Enterprise, Microsoft, IBM), and pharmaceutical companies — with each paying up to $200,000 annually.

    Newt Gingrich And The Individual Mandate | ThinkProgress
    LOL. I have made mistakes in my life, like everyone. Nowadays I can't believe that back in the 80's I actually did vote for a couple of democrats. That was a bad idea on my part. But I won't repeat that bad idea ever again.
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No dear, not "1988"....


    Over at Mother Jones, David Corn discovers that like the Newt Gingrich of three years ago, the former speaker’s for-profit think tank, the Center for Health Transformation (CHT), also promotes the individual health insurance mandate:

    Gingrich first backed the concept in 1993, “I am for people, individuals — exactly like automobile insurance — individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance,” he said on Meet the Press. He supported the idea in 2007 — writing in a Des Moines Register op-ed, “Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance” — and again in 2008: “Finally, we should insist that everyone above a certain level buy coverage (or, if they are opposed to insurance, post a bond).”
    Romney himself pointed this out in a debate, saying, “Actually Newt, we got the idea of the individual mandate from you…and the Heritage Foundation.” “I absolutely did work with the Heritage Foundation against Hillarycare,” Gingrich conceded.
    CHT also works with business groups that may benefit from the mandate. As Lee Fang has reported, CHT serves approximately 94 health industry corporations and lobby groups, including health insurance (BlueCross BlueShield Association, WellPoint, AHIP, UnitedHealth), health IT (L-3 Enterprise, Microsoft, IBM), and pharmaceutical companies — with each paying up to $200,000 annually.

    Newt Gingrich And The Individual Mandate | ThinkProgress
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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It should be a right to be irresponsible.

    Wow......that is an interesting concept.....so many levels of denial.
    "It should be a right to be irresponsible". Well, those are your words.

    The facts won't back it up.
    "“If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina; or Savannah, Georgia; or Jacksonville, Florida…” -Obama

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    Re: Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Jesus you progressives are a totalitarian bunch aren't you?.....
    Yes yes..mandates on individual financial responsibility (car insurance, health insurance).....is totalitarian.

    What hippie response.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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