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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
Only in the liberal mind, people who think that we don't spend enough. You and your ilk have run up a 6.4 trillion dollar debt and now have a problem with a 400 billion cut in Federal spending? I don't think I would be spouting that someone else doesn't understand the economy and what the components of GDP are. You are apparently safe in your job but there are 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today plus millions and millions on food stamps and other taxpayer assisted programs.

The Obama Administration and liberal elites love having people like you carry the water for them as you buy what you are told and ignore the actual results. Like all good little Obamabots cutting the waste, fraud, and abuse in D.C. is taking an axe and will starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Economic growth is a foreign concept to liberals like you.
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again, avoiding the question put to you, which is par for the course i know...i asked you a very, very, VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY simple question, and since you can't answer it, you go off on a tangent, dodging, deflecting, getting personal...again, par for the course when you have been cornered, and beaten. oh well, NEXT!!!!!
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Grant said:
And the reality is that the United States is $17,000.000.000.000 in debt with obligations extending past $70 trillion more.

Adults would point out that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it. But when you encourage people to remain adolescents all their lives then that is just how they'll respond. The government is now your mama and daddy.
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It was adults who comprised the Supreme Court for the last 70 plus years.
It was adults who held the White House for the last 70 plus years.
It was adults who made up each and every Congress for the last 70 plus years.

Your point about the debt is perfect evidence why we need to raise taxes and stop living off the credit card.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

haymarket said:
It was adults who comprised the Supreme Court for the last 70 plus years.
It was adults who held the White House for the last 70 plus years.
It was adults who made up each and every Congress for the last 70 plus years.

Your point about the debt is perfect evidence why we need to raise taxes and stop living off the credit card.
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No, my point is that you have to spend according to your income, just as most responsible adults do. That option doesn't seem to have occurred to you, which is part of my larger point concerning a responsible and adult electorate.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

vasuderatorrent said:
The Affordable Care Act is still law. Congress didn't discard it.

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You can count on the democrats losing both houses and electing a republican president who will repeal this BS in 2016 if this ever gets implemented, as-is...
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

vasuderatorrent said:
The Affordable Care Act is still law. Congress didn't discard it.

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No one said they did. They are trying to force their will outside the normal process. Acting ignorant is not a good tactic.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

vasuderatorrent said:
It just seems like a conflict of interest. The opposing side could have a different motivation for giving "good advice".

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If you have good critical thinking skills, you should be able to assess advice no matter where it comes from.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
My solution, agree to cut govt. spending 15% across the board in consideration for raising the debt ceiling for 6 months and make those cuts mandatory.
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I would prefer a dollar plan. For every dollar of immediate debt ceiling increase we have a dollar of immediate spending cuts. Not cuts promised sometime in the future. Immediate. The implementing legislation for adding 8 billion dollars of debt ceiling increase should close down the EPA.
For another 60 billion in debt ceiling increase we can close down the education department and return student loans to the private sector of the economy where it belongs.

Dollar for dollar. Immediate budget cuts for immediate debt ceiling increases.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Boo Radley said:
No one said they did. They are trying to force their will outside the normal process. Acting ignorant is not a good tactic.
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Boo, this is the normal process. And this is precisely why our government has these checks and balances.
 
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iacardsfan said:
But wait it is not the role of government to create jobs.....?
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Exactly but it is the role of govt. to create the atmosphere to create jobs and Obama hasn't done that with his rhetoric and his legislation.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Misterveritis said:
Boo, this is the normal process. And this is precisely why our government has these checks and balances.
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No, it really isn't. Many would see that if democrats were doing it. It's more of a temper tantrum than anything else.
 
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randel said:
again, avoiding the question put to you, which is par for the course i know...i asked you a very, very, VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY simple question, and since you can't answer it, you go off on a tangent, dodging, deflecting, getting personal...again, par for the course when you have been cornered, and beaten. oh well, NEXT!!!!!
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I have answered every direct question you have given me, you choose to ignore the answer and claim that there was no answer. Maybe in addition to a civics course you ought to take an English course as well.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
You can count on the democrats losing both houses and electing a republican president who will repeal this BS in 2016 if this ever gets implemented, as-is...
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Didn't I hear the same thing about 2012?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

haymarket said:
The reality is that every Court since the New Deal has decided in favor of the very programs that you hate and loathe.

The reality is that every Congress since the New Deal has supported them with legislation and funding.

The reality is that every President since FDR has given them their blessing with their signature on legislation.

It was your precious conservatives who formed the one vote majority in Citizens United. One recent decision decided by a slim one vote. So much the previous law. :roll:
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the reality is the dem court broke years of precedent because it was ***** whipped by FDR's illegal threat to pack the court. By the time conservatives took over, they did what faint hearted conservatives do-respected the dishonest precedent that FDRs' pet monkeys had put into place.

You seem unable to address that fact
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Misterveritis said:
I would prefer a dollar plan. For every dollar of immediate debt ceiling increase we have a dollar of immediate spending cuts. Not cuts promised sometime in the future. Immediate. The implementing legislation for adding 8 billion dollars of debt ceiling increase should close down the EPA.
For another 60 billion in debt ceiling increase we can close down the education department and return student loans to the private sector of the economy where it belongs.

Dollar for dollar. Immediate budget cuts for immediate debt ceiling increases.
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What happens when the first thing to go is the Park Service and White House tours?
 
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Threegoofs said:
What happens when the first thing to go is the Park Service and White House tours?
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Did you notice that the state of Arizona and the state of S. Dakota paid the Federal Govt. to keep the Grand Canyon and Mt. Rushmore open. Amazing what can be done when the govt. contracts out operations.
 
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Conservative said:
Exactly but it is the role of govt. to create the atmosphere to create jobs and Obama hasn't done that with his rhetoric and his legislation.
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he must speak in a way to bring jobs back!
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Boo Radley said:
No, it really isn't. Many would see that if democrats were doing it. It's more of a temper tantrum than anything else.
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Yes. Really it is. Legislation by appropriation has occurred from the beginning. There have been times when I hated it. This time I like it.

Call it what you want. If it slows down the rolling tyranny I am for it. I am cheering for the nation. I am cheering for the House Republicans. Let us hope they do not cave.
 
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iacardsfan said:
he must speak in a way to bring jobs back!
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Speaking positively will certainly help but things like demonizing individual wealth creation, proposing higher taxes, ACA, regulations that stop the Keystone Pipeline and demonize coal production, regulations that discourage right to work states to bring in non union businesses certainly don't help.
 
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Grant said:
No, my point is that you have to spend according to your income, just as most responsible adults do. That option doesn't seem to have occurred to you, which is part of my larger point concerning a responsible and adult electorate.
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Which country does that? I don't think there is a western nation that has no debt or does not run deficits every year. Why is it that you think they are all being irresponsible? What makes you the decider? What if cutting spending is not an option? Is raising taxes to cover the deficit worth doing? Or would you rather have some deficits?
 
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iguanaman said:
Which country does that? I don't think there is a western nation that has no debt or does not run deficits every year. Why is it that you think they are all being irresponsible? What makes you the decider?
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Name for me a Western thriving growing economy that has debt 100% of GDP? You don't seem to understand what effect that high of a debt has on economic activity. Sure looks like nothing ever changes the mind of an Obamabot or liberal.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Yes. Really it is. Legislation by appropriation has occurred from the beginning. There have been times when I hated it. This time I like it.

Call it what you want. If it slows down the rolling tyranny I am for it. I am cheering for the nation. I am cheering for the House Republicans. Let us hope they do not cave.
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They lost the vote. They lost the court battle. Now they are just holding their breath to get their way. It's not the process. It's childish.
 
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Conservative said:
Name for me a Western thriving growing economy that has debt 100% of GDP? You don't seem to understand what effect that high of a debt has on economic activity. Sure looks like nothing ever changes the mind of an Obamabot or liberal.
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US debt is something like 75% of GDP.

Belgium and France are doing just fine with 100% ratios.

Japan, while not thriving and growing, mostly due to demographic problems, has debt over 200% of GDP. They're not collapsing, are they?
 
Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

iguanaman said:
Which country does that? I don't think there is a western nation that has no debt or does not run deficits every year. Why is it that you think they are all being irresponsible? What makes you the decider? What if cutting spending is not an option? Is raising taxes to cover the deficit worth doing? Or would you rather have some deficits?
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There were only three things the federal government may tax us for. The first two are to pay our debts and to provide for the common defense. This does not say we can bankrupt the nation and its taxpayers for every silly idea someone in the federal government has.

Let's get back to basics. It is time to begin eliminating every government program that doesn't logically and directly result from one of the enumerated powers. Social security and Medicare have no constitutional basis. It is time to end them. The EPA has no basis. Education. No basis. There are nearly 500 independent agencies today. Most of them have no constitutional basis for their existence. It is time to shed them.
 
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