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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

WSJ/NBC Poll
10/10/13

Poll Finds GOP Blamed More for Shutdown - WSJ.com
Party Scores Lowest Marks in 20-Plus Years;
Mood Also Darkens About the Economic Impact of the Government Standoff

".....In all, 53% of those polled blamed Republicans for the shutdown, compared with 31% who blamed Mr. Obama — numbers that showed the GOP taking a worse beating than the party did 17 years ago during the last extended shutdown, under President Bill Clinton.

Asked about the current budget battle, 70% of participants faulted Republicans in Congress for putting their political agenda ahead of what's good for the country. In a separate question, 51% said Mr. Obama was more concerned about his agenda than the good of the country. The public was divided over the president's refusal to negotiate with Republicans unless they reopen the government and raise the federal debt ceiling, with 40% agreeing with his stand and 43% disagreeing.

A large majority of those polled, or 63%, said it was "a real and serious problem" that Congress might not raise the country's borrowing limit.

Republican voters are at odds over how their party should proceed in its fight with the White House. More than a third of Republicans disapproved of how their party's members in Congress are doing their job, while nearly 40% said congressional Republicans were putting the party's agenda above the good of the country.

At the same time, Tea-Party-oriented participants now look more favorably on the party than other Republicans who don't ally with Tea-Party goals.

The poll, conducted between Monday and Wednesday, had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4%."..."​


No surprise then that Boehner Finally walked over to the White House to try and make a deal.
 
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Mithros said:
YES! Holy crap. Congress sets the taxes and how much each part of government is allowed to spend.

Riddle me this: If the President spends the money, then why is the government shut down until congress passes a CR?

Seriously... Take a civics class.
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Wow, talk about micromanagement and total ignorance. Now I am crying.
 
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Mithros said:
Okay.. What do YOU want to do about an uninsured person with curable cancer? Because to me, your position is that you don't want them to die, but it's really not your problem.

Edit: also what on earth is "liberal greed" as opposed to "personal greed". Greed IS a personal thing. I can't greedily want what's best for my neighbor.
Talk about brainwashing: that's straight out of 1984 - defining words to mean their opposite.
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NO, what you want to do is give a federal bureaucrat control over the money and spend it where they think is best which of course is just getting and maintaining power. Individuals can be greedy and that hurts maybe a few but the govt. greed hurts us all. You don't get it. Do you think someone else making an extra buck took it from you and caused you to make a buck less? I am sorry, I just cannot believe what our education system is turning out these days.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Those are diametrically opposed, one is "boot-strappy", the other is "socialism". I'm all for neighbor helping neighbor, whether that neighbor is next door, across the street or across the city or across the country.

You have gotten all sorts of benefits from federal support throughout your life.
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Much of that Federal support was probably state support that you easily don't understand. The support you get from the Federal Govt. is defense which is mandated by the Constitution. Not much else comes from the Federal Govt. that isn't a use tax like excise taxes on gasoline that fund the highways. Amazing how brainwashed supposedly intelligent people are
 
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Conservative said:
Much of that Federal support was probably state support that you easily don't understand. The support you get from the Federal Govt. is defense which is mandated by the Constitution. Not much else comes from the Federal Govt. that isn't a use tax like excise taxes on gasoline that fund the highways. Amazing how brainwashed supposedly intelligent people are
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The problem, as I see it, is the Republican Party. Hell, even Republicans don't like it.
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You guys just like to whine. The rest of us find ways to cope, and---Gasp!--push government to fix the things we like fixed.
 
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Conservative said:
I am sure the 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers are extremely excited about the GDP numbers. What is absolutely amazing is that we had terrible economic numbers in 2008 and the govt. spending a trillion dollars and the best we can do is a 10% increase? Liberals have such low expectations.
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Yep. Except they remain unemployed and full time workers are being converted to part time workers. Other than those inconvenient facts things are just fine. :)
 
Straight Talk: "Fool's errand."
 
calamity said:
Straight Talk: "Fool's errand."
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So, I would never watch anything that POS McCain says in any venue. What was the point of putting on that status quo republican liberal?

I love the squirrels in my woods. I despise the SQRLS in my party.
 
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calamity said:
The problem, as I see it, is the Republican Party. Hell, even Republicans don't like it.
republican-dissaproval.jpg


You guys just like to whine. The rest of us find ways to cope, and---Gasp!--push government to fix the things we like fixed.
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What is it you are pushing the government to fix and are they doing a good job at it?
 
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calamity said:
The problem, as I see it, is the Republican Party. Hell, even Republicans don't like it.
republican-dissaproval.jpg


You guys just like to whine. The rest of us find ways to cope, and---Gasp!--push government to fix the things we like fixed.
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Seems that Republicans can think on their own and don't have to be told what to think. You on the other hand apparently cannot. Democrats today are too used to being handfed and led around by their noses.
 
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and the latest Gallup Poll shows the GOP at its lowest approval rating


No, Republicans, the Gallup Poll is not a limbo contest.

Republicans seem to be playing “how low can you go.” Just 28 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of the GOP, according to the latest monthly Gallup tracking poll. The number ” is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since Gallup began asking this question in 1992,” the polling company stated.

The number is 10 points lower than the party scored in the same poll in September.

Democrats, meanwhile, got a favorable rating from only 43 percent of respondents, down four points from last month.

The contrasting numbers seem to demonstrate the way blame for the government shutdown is being allocated to the respective parties by the public.

The poll surveyed 1,028 adults between Oct. 3 and Oct. 6.

The only similar trend in the poll’s history was the rating of Republicans after the vote to impeach President Bill Clinton in December 1998. Then, Republicans dropped 12 points, from 43 percent to 31 percent, although the party’s popularity recovered somewhat in subsequent months.
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Great strategy tea party parasites..... your host will soon be dead and you will need a new one to glom onto and suck dry.
 
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Conservative said:
Seems that Republicans can think on their own and don't have to be told what to think. You on the other hand apparently cannot. Democrats today are too used to being handfed and led around by their noses.
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Absolutely. Obama, or other more powerful leftists, will tell them what to think and they'll think it.

And if everyone doesn't think the same thoughts, like the Stepford wives, than they are called 'disorganized'.
 
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haymarket said:
and the latest Gallup Poll shows the GOP at its lowest approval rating. Great strategy tea party parasites..... your host will soon be dead and you will need a new one to glom onto and suck dry.
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The host being the United States of America, of course.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I was replying to the claim that the WWII generation never paid down the debt. I think I successfully proved that to be a false statement.
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Where did you do that? You think our debt was EVER paid off to zero? What year was that?
 
iguanaman said:
Where did you do that? You think our debt was EVER paid off to zero? What year was that?
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Are there any facts, figures, or historical information that would change your mind and cause you to reject liberalism?
 
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Conservative said:
Seems that Republicans can think on their own and don't have to be told what to think. You on the other hand apparently cannot. Democrats today are too used to being handfed and led around by their noses.
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Republicans are killing their party.
GOP Death Watch: The Final Days of the Republican Party | New Republic
There is a growing fear among Washington Republicans that the party, which has lost two national elections in a row, is headed for history’s dustbin. And I believe that they are right to worry.

The battle over the shutdown has highlighted the cracks and fissures within the party. The party’s leadership has begun to lose control of its members in Congress. The party’s base has become increasingly shrill and is almost as dissatisfied with the Republican leadership in Washington as it is with President Obama. New conservative groups have echoed, and taken advantage of, this sentiment by targeting Republicans identified with the leadership for defeat. And a growing group of Republican politicians, who owe their election to these groups, has carried the battle into the halls of Congress. That is spelling doom for the Republican coalition that has kept the party afloat for the last two decades.
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That Republicans like you don't seem to notice or care is...Awesome!!!
 
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Grant said:
What is it you are pushing the government to fix and are they doing a good job at it?
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Well, right now...giving Republicans plenty of rope. :)
 
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calamity said:
Republicans are killing their party.
GOP Death Watch: The Final Days of the Republican Party | New Republic


That Republicans like you don't seem to notice or care is...Awesome!!!
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Well then there is no use to continue, the elections are over so why continue wasting your time here. I really don't care, love watching this country being destroyed by the likes of people like you. I live in TX, not a thing to worry about here. Have my kids and grandkids here so life is great. What a wonderful country with all those little socialist Obamabots wandering around telling us all that the world as we know it is over and they are in charge.
 
Misterveritis said:
So, I would never watch anything that POS McCain says in any venue. What was the point of putting on that status quo republican liberal?

I love the squirrels in my woods. I despise the SQRLS in my party.
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Ah. Another anti-RINO Puritan. I thank you, BTW. Without your ilk, the GOP would never have died the slow beautiful agonizing death we are all witnessing today.

Cheers.
 
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The most interesting thing to me about the last two weeks is that it really all may be pointless, but not for the reasons everyone thinks.

Consider this: At the witching hour before Healthcare.gov went live the Republicans in Congress had narrowed their demands down to two: 1) Delay the individual Mandate for a year and 2) Eliminate the congressional subsidy that no other American could qualify for.

Democrats refused to budge on their end and the shutdown happened.

Then came October 1st and the exchanges opened. These exchanges are there to connect people with health insurers so that they can sign up for insurance and avoid the tax penalty they will begin incurring on January 1st.

.. except, very few people have actually successfully signed up for insurance. 51,000 by one leaked count, and the general consensus is that Healthcare.gov is a disaster.

This is important because with Healthcare.gov in such a sorry state of dysfunction the government would be hard pressed to prosecute anyone who didn't obtain health insurance by the March deadline -- and if they can't sort out the Healthcare.gov technical issues in the next month the prognosis keeps getting worse -- it could end up that the the Federal Government will need to POSTPONE THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE until they get their act in gear because it will be unenforceable given the state of the signup system.

So in the long run the Democrats will have refused to grant the House their request of postponing the mandate a year only to have to postpone the mandate a year.
 
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jmotivator said:
The most interesting thing to me about the last two weeks is that it really all may be pointless, but not for the reasons everyone thinks.

Consider this: At the witching hour before Healthcare.gov went live the Republicans in Congress had narrowed their demands down to two: 1) Delay the individual Mandate for a year and 2) Eliminate the congressional subsidy that no other American could qualify for.

Democrats refused to budge on their end and the shutdown happened.

Then came October 1st and the exchanges opened. These exchanges are there to connect people with health insurers so that they can sign up for insurance and avoid the tax penalty they will begin incurring on January 1st.

.. except, very few people have actually successfully signed up for insurance. 51,000 by one leaked count, and the general consensus is that Healthcare.gov is a disaster.

This is important because with Healthcare.gov in such a sorry state of dysfunction the government would be hard pressed to prosecute anyone who didn't obtain health insurance by the March deadline -- and if they can't sort out the Healthcare.gov technical issues in the next month the prognosis keeps getting worse -- it could end up that the the Federal Government will need to POSTPONE THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE until they get their act in gear because it will be unenforceable given the state of the signup system.

So in the long run the Democrats will have refused to grant the House their request of postponing the mandate a year only to have to postpone the mandate a year.
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Wishful thinking. They should have the glitches worked out fairly quickly. The IT sector has matured an incredible amount in the last two decades so this shouldn't be a game ending problem.
 
calamity said:
Ah. Another anti-RINO Puritan. I thank you, BTW. Without your ilk, the GOP would never have died the slow beautiful agonizing death we are all witnessing today.

Cheers.
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So tell me, with your proclaimed death of the GOP who or what takes their place? You believe that the Democrat results are sustainable? You believe we can redistribute wealth in this country to provide you with all that you want? I don't mean to be disrespectful but how old are you
 
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jmotivator said:
.. except, very few people have actually successfully signed up for insurance. 51,000 by one leaked count, and the general consensus is that Healthcare.gov is a disaster.
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What I find odd is that all the anti ACA types keep trumpeting how few people have signed up. From what it sounds like, the amount of interest has been massive. The number of sign ups seems to be not announced anywhere except for 'leaks' which are pretty sketchy.

But why would anyone expect sign ups to be really big? No one needs to get this before Jan 1, and health insurance is quite complicated - people will be weighing their options and reading and figuring what the best thing to do is for quite a while before committing to a purchase, especially when they dont have a deadline for months.

I can guarantee when the actual numbers turn out to be good, the shouty Cons will pretend they never used the argument that no one was signing up. It will magically disappear from their brains.
 
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Verax said:
Wishful thinking. They should have the glitches worked out fairly quickly. The IT sector has matured an incredible amount in the last two decades so this shouldn't be a game ending problem.
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I am in the IT sector -- in fact I am in the big data portal side of IT that builds Healthcare.gov style sites -- and I have worked on numerous bid data projects like this in the last 15 years. This roll out is easily the worst I have ever seen. The problem is compounded by the nature of the service provided. In a private industry you eventually get a respite with a hard crash like this when you find your system can't handle traffic because. In that environment the traffic eventually subsides (as you lose business) and you hit a "happy" medium where the load of the server isn't too high to kill it and you can manage improvements and hope the customers trickle back.

On the government side it is very different because there is no trickle off of customers. The customer is required by law to use this service so every day where there is no service the hits snowball the traffic to the next day and the next and the next. So not only do they need more hardware, they need even more hardware than would have been needed at the original launch because the customers aren't going away, they are just all being put on hold until some time in the future when you have a system big enough to attend to them all.

This is no small task even if it is just a not-enough-hardware issue.

But I'd guess it is more than just that based on how hard it has crashed. There are likely bugs in the coding, poorly configured network routing and any number of other gremlins born of poor planning that they still need to address. If that is the case you are looking at the shortest path being a tear down of one site (I assume they at least have coop and dr in place) and rebuild it then fail over to the fixed site... but that is a 6 month project at minimum... more if you want to ensure you aren't duplicating the mistakes of the past. And you still have all the state exchanges to worry about.

But anything is possible, I guess. Major private industries are moving away from the home grown cloud to IAAS for just this reason. All the gremlins that come from a new build go away when you contract a company that rolls perfectly clean versions of this kind of infrastructure 24/7/365.

Look at it this way: It took them two years to build this. The fix is likely not going to be two weeks.
 
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