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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

You mean the FY 2009 budget that was projected to create a surplus by 2012, by keeping runaway spending in check? The one that projected to spend 3.1 trillion in 2012 ? That one?
No. The one they passed which clearly showed $2.9B in revenue versus $3.8 B in spending. That one.
 
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Yeah, the Republicans were for an individual mandate if needed, well until they weren't. Weasel words.

~19 guys != Republicans.
 
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~19 guys != Republicans.
It goes a lot deeper than that.

The Health Care Law Guru vs. the Conservative who Inspired It | The Business Desk with Paul Solman | PBS NewsHour | PBS
Solman: Where does the idea for The Connector come from?

Gruber: The idea for the health insurance connector, or really health insurance marketplace, really comes from basic economics, but I guess it's probably first associated with the Heritage Foundation, which was promoting this as a way of promoting competition and health insurance markets for a long time. In particular, folks at the Heritage Foundation talked a lot to then-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney about introducing connector-like mechanism in Massachusetts.

Like I said, it's a Republican plan that the Republicans now oppose.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

It goes a lot deeper than that.

The Health Care Law Guru vs. the Conservative who Inspired It | The Business Desk with Paul Solman | PBS NewsHour | PBS


Like I said, it's a Republican plan that the Republicans now oppose.

Proposed as an alternative to government run health care, i.e. single payer, incentivising catastrophic insurance coverage purchases via a tax credit, with no requirement that you participate, isn't a mandate. Geez, you really need to do more research than lmgtfy.
 
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No. The one they passed which clearly showed $2.9B in revenue versus $3.8 B in spending. That one.

FY 2009 is the last passed budget.
 
It might effect me, it might not. I'm on an employer paid plan. It may change or it may not. I don't much care either way.

ACA has a few things I like. I like that insurance companies must take on those with existing conditions. And, I understand that to do that the companies have to have a pool of healthy contributors. So the mandate is fine with me--I always believed it should be a law that you must carry insurance. However, I don't like how it's all being set up and the thing looks like a nightmare to manage.

All sweeping laws need tweeks and fixing as there is no way someone can consider everything on the drawing board. Everything needs field testing as we would say in the army. I think my main reason that I look disapprovingly on the law was the way it was passed by arm twisting, threats, bribes, etc and this just among Democrats. When 58% of the people say no, in some states where their Democratic Senators voted for the law, there were 65% of the people or more against it. To me, a representative or senator from which ever party should represent the people who sent them to Washington, not their party. Especially on major legislation like the ACA. 2010 happened because those elected representatives chose to ignore or tell their constituents to shove it where the sun don't shine. So right, wrong or indifferent, I will always have a negative view of the ACA. It never passed on it merits and left to its merits it would have failed.

I have never really dug into it to see if it was good or bad, what effect it might have on the people. I still don't know and outside of being very against the way it was passed against the peoples wishes, the law doesn't really bother me one way or the other.
 
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How about the House passes a bill that doesn't include repealing or delaying the ACA?

So by omission, you agree the House hasn't done anything the Constitution doesn't dictate they do.

If one were to avoid the instructions streaming from the Progressive Machine, they would learn the House has done such a thing. The Democrats in the Senate have refused to consider it.

Besides, it isn't for the Senate to demand the House do what they say. That's not how it works. Tens of millions are making sure the Congress understands that.
 
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Krugman isn't credible? Really? He's only a Nobel prize in economics winner, one of the top twenty highest rated economists among all kinds of other things. If you follow what he says over the years you'd find he's almost always right about everything. The people and views he goes after as being wrong so very often are. Yet he sucks? Ok then, who would you say is credible?

He worked wonders for Enron.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

new numbers from the shutdown fresh as of this AM.

New Polls from this Morning:
Republicans are taking more of the blame for a stalemate over the government shutdown. The parties have dug into their positions, two new polls show.
A new poll from Washington Post/ABC found that disapproval of Republicans is up to 70 percent among American adults from 63 percent approval at the end of September. Disapproval of Democrats is up to 61 percent from 56 percent at the end of last month.

In a PEW poll I found this interesting:
As the conflict drags into its second week, both camps have dug in.. Forty-four percent of people say Republican leaders should give in on their demand that a budget deal include cuts or delays to the Affordable Care Act. An almost equal percentage, 42, say Mr. Obama should agree to changes to the law.

Here is something both parties should listen to:
The appetite for compromise is more than just a majority, Pew found. Sixty-one percent of those surveyed say lawmakers who share their views should be willing to make compromises; 29 percent say they should not.

More from Pew
Thirty-eight percent of Americans said Republicans were to blame for the shutdown, versus 30 percent who blame the Obama administration and 19 percent who blame both, according to the Pew poll, which was conducted in the days since the shutdown came to pass.

And this:
The ABC News/Washington Post poll, meanwhile, found that 70 percent of Americans disapprove of the way congressional Republicans are handling negotiations over the federal budget, while just 24 percent approve. (Last week, 26 percent approved of the GOP’s handling, and 63 percent disapproved.)
Congressional Democrats also suffered: 61 percent of Americans disapprove of the way they’re handling the budget (up from 56 percent last week), while 35 percent approve (up one point from last week).
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

So by omission, you agree the House hasn't done anything the Constitution doesn't dictate they do.

If one were to avoid the instructions streaming from the Progressive Machine, they would learn the House has done such a thing. The Democrats in the Senate have refused to consider it.

Besides, it isn't for the Senate to demand the House do what they say. That's not how it works. Tens of millions are making sure the Congress understands that.
The House has tied in first repealing and now delaying enactment of an existing law with their appropriations bill. That's not exactly a good faith measure.

Nobody but the Fox News crowd buy this nonsense you're selling. FYI.
 
All sweeping laws need tweeks and fixing as there is no way someone can consider everything on the drawing board. Everything needs field testing as we would say in the army. I think my main reason that I look disapprovingly on the law was the way it was passed by arm twisting, threats, bribes, etc and this just among Democrats. When 58% of the people say no, in some states where their Democratic Senators voted for the law, there were 65% of the people or more against it. To me, a representative or senator from which ever party should represent the people who sent them to Washington, not their party. Especially on major legislation like the ACA. 2010 happened because those elected representatives chose to ignore or tell their constituents to shove it where the sun don't shine. So right, wrong or indifferent, I will always have a negative view of the ACA. It never passed on it merits and left to its merits it would have failed.

I have never really dug into it to see if it was good or bad, what effect it might have on the people. I still don't know and outside of being very against the way it was passed against the peoples wishes, the law doesn't really bother me one way or the other.

IMO, that's why we need Republicans and Democrats working together not holding their breath if one or the other does not get their way.
 
All sweeping laws need tweeks and fixing as there is no way someone can consider everything on the drawing board. Everything needs field testing as we would say in the army. I think my main reason that I look disapprovingly on the law was the way it was passed by arm twisting, threats, bribes, etc and this just among Democrats. When 58% of the people say no, in some states where their Democratic Senators voted for the law, there were 65% of the people or more against it. To me, a representative or senator from which ever party should represent the people who sent them to Washington, not their party. Especially on major legislation like the ACA. 2010 happened because those elected representatives chose to ignore or tell their constituents to shove it where the sun don't shine. So right, wrong or indifferent, I will always have a negative view of the ACA. It never passed on it merits and left to its merits it would have failed.

I have never really dug into it to see if it was good or bad, what effect it might have on the people. I still don't know and outside of being very against the way it was passed against the peoples wishes, the law doesn't really bother me one way or the other.

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

If those Democrats that reluctantly did end up voting for it needed to be bribed or threatened to get their vote, what was it that they didn't like about it? We know that one of the writers of ACA has called it a "trainwreck." Did he voice that opinion at the time, but was overruled? Too many questions here for something that is going to affect everybody, IMO. It's never good to have over half of the people in the country against a law that mandates they comply with the law!
 
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The House has tied in first repealing and now delaying enactment of an existing law with their appropriations bill. That's not exactly a good faith measure.

Nobody but the Fox News crowd buy this nonsense you're selling. FYI.

Yea right. "Nobody". Always love the "absolute" type statements.

The members of the House of Representatives are doing exactly what the Constitution requires them to do.

The Senate doesn't like it, and is demanding the House of Representatives do exactly what they want, or else. We're witnessing the Democrats "or else".

Despite commands and marketing from the Progressive Machine, the Democrats actions can't be hidden. It's great they aren't. Allowing the citizens of this country to witness first hand what Democrats are doing is a very good thing.
 
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An interesting aside....

Veterans are being kept out of their Washington war memorials, but they've been opened up for pro-immigration-reform protestors.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

new numbers from the shutdown fresh as of this AM.

New Polls from this Morning:
Republicans are taking more of the blame for a stalemate over the government shutdown. The parties have dug into their positions, two new polls show.
A new poll from Washington Post/ABC found that disapproval of Republicans is up to 70 percent among American adults from 63 percent approval at the end of September. Disapproval of Democrats is up to 61 percent from 56 percent at the end of last month.

In a PEW poll I found this interesting:
As the conflict drags into its second week, both camps have dug in.. Forty-four percent of people say Republican leaders should give in on their demand that a budget deal include cuts or delays to the Affordable Care Act. An almost equal percentage, 42, say Mr. Obama should agree to changes to the law.

Here is something both parties should listen to:
The appetite for compromise is more than just a majority, Pew found. Sixty-one percent of those surveyed say lawmakers who share their views should be willing to make compromises; 29 percent say they should not.

More from Pew
Thirty-eight percent of Americans said Republicans were to blame for the shutdown, versus 30 percent who blame the Obama administration and 19 percent who blame both, according to the Pew poll, which was conducted in the days since the shutdown came to pass.

And this:
The ABC News/Washington Post poll, meanwhile, found that 70 percent of Americans disapprove of the way congressional Republicans are handling negotiations over the federal budget, while just 24 percent approve. (Last week, 26 percent approved of the GOP’s handling, and 63 percent disapproved.)
Congressional Democrats also suffered: 61 percent of Americans disapprove of the way they’re handling the budget (up from 56 percent last week), while 35 percent approve (up one point from last week).

So 70% disapprove of republican actions and 61% disapprove of democrat actions? That sounds like a wash to me.
 
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The entire 8 year average vs the 5 year average of Obama? You bet. What I find interesting is how people like you continue to divert Bush. Anytime a thread is posted that has Obama's name in it, the Obamabots have to bring up Bush all diverting from that Obama record. Too bad you don't have the ability to research both records.
They obviously lack proper critical thinking skills. I think they are a product of the modern indoctrination skills taught at the U of I (University of Indoctrination.)

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed; Jump to 2:30 to get past the silly intro.

 
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Good. Then Congress should agree to pay all existing debt, no strings attached, and we should have a fresh fight over a new budget.

I think we should cut the Defense spending by 50%. No $50B to NSA; No 50B to Statel; No $50B to Homeland Security--cut all those to $25 or less. Next, chop that huge $667B Military Budget down to 300--tops. Lastly, look closely at what we give Vets. Maybe we should cut what we give them by 50% too...that is if we are to cut Foodstamps and other gvt assistance programs.

Congress has agreed to pay for all EXISTING DEBT, what part of that do you not understand? Apparently debt service is a foreign concept to you as you continue to buy the leftwing rhetoric now but not in 2006 when Senator Obama was spouting a different story.
 
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Then why did the Republican controlled House pass a budget for which there was not enough revenue???

The Republican House submitted a budget that reduced the deficit, it was defeated by the Democrats. We are operating on CR's and have been for the past 5 years. There is enough revenue to fund the entitlement programs including interest on the debt. How many times do I have to beat you up on the actual data before you stop posting and making yourself look foolish?
 
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No. The one they passed which clearly showed $2.9B in revenue versus $3.8 B in spending. That one.

Post the Republican budget that showed 3.8 trillion in spending?
 
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The Republican House submitted a budget that reduced the deficit, it was defeated by the Democrats. We are operating on CR's and have been for the past 5 years. There is enough revenue to fund the entitlement programs including interest on the debt. How many times do I have to beat you up on the actual data before you stop posting and making yourself look foolish?

The Senate has passed a CR with Ryan budget levels and that is not low enough? WTF? The American people rejected him at the polls and the Dems still passed a CR with his numbers and you call that lack of compromise?

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The Senate has passed a CR with Ryan budget levels and that is not low enough? WTF?

Senate-2103-CR-proposal_BVfT21VCIAA8Fty_large-289x500.png

Republicans won the House in 2010 with the mandate to repeal Obamacare, the Senate prevented that. The Republicans then resort to not funding Obamacare, The Senate rejected that, the Senate shutdown the govt. Pretty simple to understand except to the low information voter and Obamabots.
 
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Republicans won the House in 2010 with the mandate to repeal Obamacare, the Senate prevented that. The Republicans then resort to not funding Obamacare, The Senate rejected that, the Senate shutdown the govt. Pretty simple to understand except to the low information voter and Obamabots.

So you have the same lack of understanding as the T's in the House. You need to take some courses on Govt. A majority in one House of Congress is in no way a mandate.
 
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FY 2009 is the last passed budget.
2013 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The 2013 United States federal budget is the budget to fund government operations for the fiscal year 2013, which is October 2012–September 2013. The original spending request was issued by President Barack Obama in February 2012.[1] The actual appropriations for fiscal year 2013 was enacted in two appropriations bills in September 2012 and March 2013 by the full Congress, in accordance with the United States budget process.
 
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Despite commands and marketing from the RW Propaganda Machine, the GOP's actions can't be hidden. It's great they aren't. Allowing the citizens of this country to witness first hand what Republicans are doing is a very good thing.
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