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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Perotista said:
Since when is 30 hours a week full time employment. I always thought that was 40 hours a week. then the part of two part time employees working 20 hours each equals one full time employee. Who decides which employee gets the coverage and which one does not? I printed it off, I go over it again later. I just scanned it but those two things stood out.

I don't know, but I think letting the law be in effect for a full year will tell us whether it is good or bad. I have always been of the opinion the fate of this laws lies with those who already have insurance. Whether their insurances price goes up or down, whether they end up with better coverage or less and so on. The election of 2014 will probably be a referendum on Obamacare if it is close to being as bad as the republicans say it is going to be.
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I think the law sucks. But...that's not the issue. I think lots of laws suck. But, I don't want my congressman to bankrupt the country in an effort to overturn them all.
 
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calamity said:
Considering you were 50% too low on your first estimate, You may want to scribble some on the back of an envelope.

Defense, including military, veterans, Homeland Security, NSA, and State: $1T

Add to that maybe $500B for daily operations of departments from Energy to Labor, and you see we're already over budget at $3T and counting. Add to that Interest due and Human Service payments like Foodstamps and subsidized housing and Voila! $3.8T

A little over $300B per month.
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The point is entitlement costs, interest expense, defense, Veterans affairs are required govt. spending, nothing else is required. It is amazing to me how brainwashed people like you have become in believing we need a 3.8 trillion dollar federal govt. That is a sad state of affairs and time for a real dose of reality. Liberals are going to run out of other people's money to spend.
 
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Conservative said:
The point is entitlement costs, interest expense, defense, Veterans affairs are required govt. spending, nothing else is required. It is amazing to me how brainwashed people like you have become in believing we need a 3.8 trillion dollar federal govt. That is a sad state of affairs and time for a real dose of reality. Liberals are going to run out of other people's money to spend.
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I don't think we need a $3.8T budget. But, the debt obligations due in 2013 are $3.8T. What part of "now is not the time to argue about the budget" do you fail to understand?
 
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Back-in-Black plan -- Sen. Coburn(R-OK) July, 2011; Balances the budget in 4-5 years; 10 years of cutting actual budget deficits each ensuing year by a total of 9 TRILLION overall in 10 years -- it had the 8-for-one swap. I believe this was the beinning of the "grand bargain idea". Eight parts in cuts to one part in revenue. Most of his revenue came from closing loopholes. Norquist and TEAcrazies trashed him from the right and Liberals weren't too thrilled either. THIS PLAN IS PAINFUL but can be done. The sequester doesn't come close, and that's before the priorities.
Sequester will not come close to these numbers. Remember the debate when Romney had to raise his hand to be against a 10-for-1 swap, a critical mistake in the general. Doc. Coburn left room for "conversation" in his plan. That Obama/Boehner couldn't close the deal in 2011, we start on very thin ice.
calamity said:
Considering you were 50% too low on your first estimate, You may want to scribble some on the back of an envelope.

Defense, including military, veterans, Homeland Security, NSA, and State: $1T

Add to that maybe $500B for daily operations of departments from Energy to Labor, and you see we're already over budget at $3T and counting. Add to that Interest due and Human Service payments like Foodstamps and subsidized housing and Voila! $3.8T

A little over $300B per month.
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calamity said:
I think the law sucks. But...that's not the issue. I think lots of laws suck. But, I don't want my congressman to bankrupt the country in an effort to overturn them all.
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I think we are saying the same thing very differently, but are on the same sheet of music. I agree. The ACA law doesn't effect me, I am an old fart and a military retiree to boot.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
We cannot piroritize what debts or payments we make if we allow the deadline for raising the debt ceiling to pass by.
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Who says? there is no budget only the entitlement spending and cost of our military in discretionary is mandatory. Stop buying what you hear and think for a change.
 
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calamity said:
I don't think we need a $3.8T budget. But, the debt obligations due in 2013 are $3.8T. What part of "now is not the time to argue about the budget" do you fail to understand?
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No, that is your opinion. There are no debt obligations for fiscal year 2014 yet so now is the time to stop spending. 2013 is in the books.
 
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Conservative said:
The point is defense..... are required govt. spending, nothing else is required.
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Only a small portion of defense spending is mandatory.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
What about the congressional staffers, they did not ask to become political bargaining chips in the health care debate
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No, but at the time 58% of Americans told congress they didn't want the law to begin with and yet they got it too. Today according to CNN 57%, USA Today 52% and ABC 51% do not want it either but have been forced upon them. 2010 happened too late to change anything.

There are a lot of people who do not want to be bargaining chips or to have things forced upon them. Stuff happens. I am on record as posting that I think this was/is a stupid ploy by the House Republicans. I would have much rather they waited on the ACA until November of next year and let the people decide whether or not the law is good after it has been fully implemented for a year. I think the Republicans have chosen the wrong time, the wrong way to have this fight. I think the republicans and this shut down is the best thing the ACA could have hoped for.

I don't know if it is good or bad, up till now all we have had is a bunch of theories and political hyperbole from both sides. Why not give it a full year and let the people decide by who or which party controls the senate. I know what my gut is telling about next years senate elections, but right now the GOP is giving me acid indigestion.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Only a small portion of defense spending is mandatory.
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That is true, thus the entire 700 billion defense budget isn't mandatory but salaries and benefits IMO are
 
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Conservative said:
That is true,
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See how easy it is to admit you were wrong.

If only you could accept that Texas is diverting FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS to state hospitals meant to offset uninsured coverage.
 
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calamity said:
First of all, the ACA is a Republican plan that Republicans now oppose. So thanks for making my point.

And, second, those of us who are not racists see what the Right is doing. They are setting Washington ablaze and then pointing at the Black guy while screaming, "He did it!"
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Good grief. Wrong on both. Way wrong. You lefties seem to always see race first.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
See how easy it is to admit you were wrong.

If only you could accept that Texas is diverting FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS to state hospitals meant to offset uninsured coverage.
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I always admit when I am wrong, in this case I am not wrong, I agreed with you that defense spending isn't mandatory it is discretionary but I support paying the troops. As for diverting Federal Funds, do you understand where federal funds come from? You read the headlines but never read the article. I live in a Houston suburb and can tell you that you ought to be worrying more about your own state and its problems vs. TX. What TX does with the federal dollars allocated to the state of TX is of no concern to you.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
When will you liberal start realizing that presidents cannot create jobs? Their voice can influence the job market, but that's it.
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Thank you. I was wondering how it was that the last 3 Republicans were so bad at creating jobs. Now I know. They frighten the jobs away with their voices. Interesting.
You do know that twice as many jobs were created during Democratic Administrations than during Republican ones even though the GOP held office longer. Coincidence? I think not.

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Conservative said:
I always admit when I am wrong
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That is a flat out lie.

You have been demolished 1000's of times over the years at DP.

And all you ever do, is run away for awhile and come back only to repeat the same lies you were telling before.
 
Perotista said:
I would have much rather they waited on the ACA until November of next year and let the people decide whether or not the law is good after it has been fully implemented for a year. I think the Republicans have chosen the wrong time, the wrong way to have this fight. I think the republicans and this shut down is the best thing the ACA could have hoped for.
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Since your direction for the Universe didn't happen Pero, we have a showdown at the DC corral.
I just wish I knew all that gun term stuff, I could expand.
Let Linc enter and help.
Act like POTUS Christie and get all sides in and not let them out until they agree.
Bring in comfortable everything.
Extra clothes and make sure showers are close.

UNDER the table, DEMS are already giving.
Our tithing is always more than theirs/per se.
KEYSTONE, please Mr. president
Medical Equipmenmt Tax repeal for a year, Please.
acceptance of 986 Billion not 1.2 TRillion as Obama asked
Now Repubs are moving it down to 966
It is the sequester/Paul Ryan budget

Chained CPI, and we don't know the ages--hitting the elderly
I'll get the Sen. Coburn plan to you.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
That is a flat out lie.

You have been demolished 1000's of times over the years at DP.

And all you ever do, is run away for awhile and come back only to repeat the same lies you were telling before.
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Then you won't have any problem posting the lies that I have refused to acknowledge
 
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Conservative said:
I always admit when I am wrong, in this case I am not wrong, I agreed with you that defense spending isn't mandatory it is discretionary but I support paying the troops. As for diverting Federal Funds, do you understand where federal funds come from? You read the headlines but never read the article. I live in a Houston suburb and can tell you that you ought to be worrying more about your own state and its problems vs. TX. What TX does with the federal dollars allocated to the state of TX is of no concern to you.
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What Texas does with those monies is a concern of mine.
 
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iguanaman said:
Thank you. I was wondering how it was that the last 3 Republicans were so bad at creating jobs. Now I know. They frighten the jobs away with their voices. Interesting.
You do know that twice as many jobs were created during Democratic Administrations than during Republican ones even though the GOP held office longer. Coincidence? I think not.

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I have seen no evidence that you are capable of thinking at all and have no idea what you have just posted, a chart that makes you look foolish that has no relevance to the economic conditions today.
 
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Conservative said:
I always admit when I am wrong, in this case I am not wrong
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Yes you were, you claimed that defense spending is "required", ie, mandatory:

con said:
The point is defense..... are required govt. spending, nothing else is required.
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I said only a small portion is mandatory, which you agreed is correct....meaning you were incorrect in stating it was mandatory.

Conservative said:
As for diverting Federal Funds, do you understand where federal funds come from?.
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Yes, from FEDERAL taxes....and that is the point. Texas uses fed dollars to pay for the uninsured in Tx, some you denied in the other thread.
 
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winston53660 said:
What Texas does with those monies is a concern of mine.
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Then why don't you find out what the state did with the money?

No laws violated

Peters said federal officials questioned the arrangement when it first began, but were unable to deter Texas because no regulations or laws were violated. Even today there is no requirement that the reimbursed money be used for a specific purpose, said Teresa Coughlin, health policy expert at the Urban Institute in Washington, D.C.

State Sen. Tommy Williams, R-The Woodlands, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, said the federal money helps the state support the three hospitals. "State appropriations to the state-owned hospitals are used to draw down federal funds," Williams said. "The degree to which general revenue benefits allows the state to afford its support of these institutions."
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You people really have a sickness, looking for gotcha politics. You just aren't smart enough to handle the challenge
 
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jmotivator said:
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He can do this all day, then tell liberals he is for raising the debt, and they are not phased at all. Most of them are just unable to put it all together and realize that they are being played for fools. Thus, the useful idiot is born.
 
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